Hail of bombs imbalanced - Printable Version

Hail of bombs imbalanced - Printable Version

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Re: Hail of bombs imbalanced - Prog - 2010-02-16

Paladon Wrote:So what do you suggest?

No change.

Re: Hail of bombs imbalanced - eSVau - 2010-02-16

Prog Wrote:No change.

which means:

Code:
single  common  rare

 800     1600    2400

 1000    2000    3000

 1200    2400    3600

 1400    2800    4200

 1600    3200    4800

Re: Hail of bombs imbalanced - Prog - 2010-02-16

eSVau Wrote:
Prog Wrote:No change.
which means:

Code:
single = common rare common against air 800 800 1600 0 1000 1000 2000 0 1200 1200 2400 0 1400 1400 2800 0 1600 1600 3200 0

fyp

Re: Hail of bombs imbalanced - eSVau - 2010-02-16

i say: you are unable to use a combo - you say: no - paladon decides

Re: Hail of bombs imbalanced - Paladon - 2010-02-16

I say i rewrite the tooltip and leave the spell just as it is currently.
A triple hit is, after checking the corresponding code and ranges, in all honesty very rare and you have to move very, very, unhandily in order to be hit three times. Even if you are stunned, the maximum to be hit is totally "just" a double hit.

Since Exo designed the spell with possible double hits, I guess rewriting and clarifying this issue in the tooltip shold be enough.

Esvau - you can proof me otherwise, but Warcraft isn't making other solutions easier.
I'd totally love to "remove" triple hits, but with the circular target areas and tank movement, it's nearly impossible to exclude that possibility without giving the possibility to be not hit by a single shot when standing in the line.

Also, your image provided at the very top is apparently not exact, the rings are just touching each other and not crossing.
To be hit 2 times means your tank overlaps 2 rings by standing near to the touching point, 3 times means you move away from the firing tank from such a touching point to another touching point further outside.

Re: Hail of bombs imbalanced - griffin1987 - 2010-02-18

1. hitting 3 times is not uncommon, but most common - i'm playing about 2-3 games average a day (taking in the weekends in the calculation where it's 5-10 games mostly and 1-2 games under the week i'd say) and when taking the heavy tank i almost always hit ppl 3 times with HOB. About evading: If you're an ai with 0 ping and 0 reaction time - yes it is easy. If I play on my bot with 8ms ping and my clickrate of about 180-220, yes it's possible. If you do the same math with the average non-pro - and i'm not talking about totally newbie players - you get something like ping of 50-90ms + clickrate of about 80-140 + reaction time, because not all of them are coffeine junkies - and they most of the time have no chance to evade.

Thinking about evading the skill is okay for me, as it adds another strategic component in micro-combat, which is why i love battletanks. But saying that the heavy is not imbalanced - and if you read carefully i (at least i think i did) stated in my post that i find the armour skill to be useless - is in my humble oppinion like saying "common, who can't port in, chaos drop to stun + chaos wave + rain + drop item + buy creeps and spawn them + take item again + click power pack" - it's not that I can't do that or not now many ppl who can do something like that, it's just that you all seem to talking about pros while i talk about the average battletank player, which is someone having played, let's say, 50 games - not 1000.

I'm in for decreasing the area to 375 or 350, but actually, as stated, i'd love to see the armour skill to be removed or replaced by something more useful, making the heavy tank a heavy tank - and not a mortar tank as it is right now.

Hope I didn't step on anyone's toes with what I said, just wanna help increasing balance in this everlasting map Wink

Best Regards

Re: Hail of bombs imbalanced - griffin1987 - 2010-02-18

hat i forgot to add about 3pple hit: Just try to kill an airship / thunder tank with rocket + HOB only - it's pretty easy.

Re: Hail of bombs imbalanced - Althend - 2010-02-18

I think this ulti is imba ^_^

I suggest to make the mana price higher, so people would have to buy battery if they want to combo rocket it :p

Re: Hail of bombs imbalanced - TKF - 2010-10-05

I would say slightly reduce the aoe of each bomb rain or increase the mana cost for that matter. Heavy Tanks ultimate is highly effective against structures so a damage reduction modifier will reduce it's damage against structures. A damage nerf against buildings would be a needfull nerf since it's quite strong as it always get's 2-3 hits on buildings. Even if this ability can miss, buildings can't dodge it.

Re: Hail of bombs imbalanced - UnifiedDoom - 2010-10-05

You gotta buy battery anyway if you wanna combo lvl 4 rocket with lvl 1 ulti at lvl 10, but that involves saving skill points something i'm not sure everyone does.