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Bring the exploder back - Tom-Ace - 2009-04-30
Now that there is a mode to keep people from buying explosives, how about you let everyone be able to buy the exploder tank, because without explosive pack he is just a normal tank.
The reason for this is because with the exploder tank you have a free Tp and smoke, that makes it a good combat tank if used well.
Re: Bring the exploder back - Tynkywinky - 2009-04-30
Anyway. The exploder is very weak as the tinker, so i see no good reason to be a exploder with weapons.
Re: Bring the exploder back - GooglyBoogly - 2009-05-01
Aah, but the exploder tank has an exploding ability- it would need to be disabled to preserve the true 'no explosives' mode.
Re: Bring the exploder back - qweqqweq - 2009-05-01
man, you gotta be kidding me. you want a tank called "exploder" to be purchasable in no explosives mode? i'd rather see the exploder get balanced and getting rid of the no exploder mode.
Re: Bring the exploder back - Dr.McNinja - 2009-05-01
Exploder as a combat tank is a... gag tactic.
Re: Bring the exploder back - Exodus - 2009-05-01
qweqqweq Wrote:man, you gotta be kidding me. you want a tank called "exploder" to be purchasable in no explosives mode? i'd rather see the exploder get balanced and getting rid of the no exploder mode.Just like me, anyone who's got suggestions to improve the Exploder or exploding in general, to make it an equaly fair and fun style of play, go ahead and suggest! ;)
Re: Bring the exploder back - Dr.McNinja - 2009-05-01
I really dont see exploder ever being a balance game strategy compared to normal tanks, and it may well be technically impossible to 'balance' it.. Right now to me, its a means to an end. (mobile nuke/bomb)
As for exploder abilities... maybe introduce a tank with smoke skill? something like a spiritual successor of ghost tank, in the way heavy tank is to light tank. "Stealth tank" would be a very basic concept (i wouldnt want to see a stealth-based tank, but i like the name)
Re: Bring the exploder back - Giftfinger - 2009-05-01
Exodus Wrote:Just like me, anyone who's got suggestions to improve the Exploder or exploding in general, to make it an equaly fair and fun style of play, go ahead and suggest!
Well put my telebeaker-pack in, that will be a first good step to balance exploder ;-)
for further informations look at my thread with the same name "telebeaker-pack "
Re: Bring the exploder back - BENNIE.FM - 2009-05-03
lol exploder owns.
Re: Bring the exploder back - qweqqweq - 2009-05-04
Exodus Wrote:qweqqweq Wrote:man, you gotta be kidding me. you want a tank called "exploder" to be purchasable in no explosives mode? i'd rather see the exploder get balanced and getting rid of the no exploder mode.Just like me, anyone who's got suggestions to improve the Exploder or exploding in general, to make it an equaly fair and fun style of play, go ahead and suggest!
i think exploder's reconstruct, which is a totally awesome and is true to the exploders character, is way too much left to chance. it's soooooo powerful and yet soooooooooooo left to chance that it's just begging to make or break games retardedly. also, the way it can control point teleport and then stun and explode is overpowered in a lot of cases. it requires a bit of luck but no skill. it should require at least some skill. i like all the exploder's abilities but it relies too much on luck. it's more geared towards suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper imbaness in teams which have more players.
having other tanks that can use explosives in explosives mode is really original and provides many awesome possiblities. but at the same time it also makes defense toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo strong. and it also is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to strong of a tactic if you have more players in my opinion.
Re: Bring the exploder back - BENNIE.FM - 2009-05-04
yea quickie is right i have not seen exploder in ages now so long.
Re: Bring the exploder back - Tynkywinky - 2009-05-04
how will u go exploder in a 3k normal mode and be good if u coul´nt buy explosive? oO
Re: Bring the exploder back - Dr.McNinja - 2009-05-04
Well if this suggestion goes through, its still essentially no exploder mode so you cant explode. So what you are saying is redundant. Tom-aces suggestion is for the exploder tank and not the exploder profession to be disabled.
Exploder would still have the explode skill, though weak, shouldnt be in. So enabling just the exploder tank is too technically difficult for the gain.
Going exploder can be useful in order to keep noobs in the game; one game i was just feeding off them and it seemed like they would leave due to them not having any competant players, so I went exploder and they stayed
Re: Bring the exploder back - Tom-Ace - 2009-05-04
Ok here is a suggestion, how about you remove the exploder skill and in it's place put a tp breaker/detector combo, as well change the exloders name to something else.
You could use smoke to get close to the enemy to plant a Tb/detector and use your tp to get to safety.
levels for the tb/detector
1 range 900
2 1000
3 1100
4 1200
5 1300
Re: Bring the exploder back - Tynkywinky - 2009-05-04
i still agree....
Re: Bring the exploder back - Bhangbhangduc - 2009-05-11
How about give exploder a skill that reduces it's bounty? Sort of like the opposite of the Hunter's skill.
Re: Bring the exploder back - SCorpA1 - 2009-05-11
Bhangbhangduc Wrote:How about give exploder a skill that reduces it's bounty? Sort of like the opposite of the Hunter's skill.hmm i think this skill is called reconstruction...
i think there is not really a big diffrence in this skills.
with recon you got a chance of x% to give no bounty, with yor skill your bounty is reduced by x%. there is the same imbaness in the skill in my opinion
Re: Bring the exploder back - qweqqweq - 2009-05-11
of course I like the ideas already suggested as possibilities but I have a couple suggestions as well. I suggest just two things to balance exploder:
1. removing the option to put explosives on tanks other than tinker and exploder.
2. somehow rework reconstruct. I love reconstruct. I think it's a great idea and an awesome ability. But at the same time I just think it's too much based on luck at present.
Why not do something like fix the chance to reconstruct to your kill/death ratio so that the better ratio you have the greater percent chance you have to reconstruct? that way you can formulate a plan of sabotaging an enemy exploder's kill death ratio early on to weaken them later.
there's a million ways to re-work reconstruct and i'm not sure if my suggestion would be any good but i'd hate to see such a cool ability go away. I just think such a powerful and imbalanced in some cases ability should be less based on total complete random luck. I'll bet some one else could come up with a better suggestion.
Re: Bring the exploder back - GooglyBoogly - 2009-05-12
Better suggestion:
Give it 100% chance to Resurrect, but have a high cooldown - like reincarnate. Cooldown drops as you put in more levels - maxes out at say, 60 secs?
Re: Bring the exploder back - Dr.McNinja - 2009-05-12
What about the same ability - % ressurect but only working when exploder casts the spell, maybe channeling, in order to activate the ability. Then it will require skill, timing etc for it to be most effective, while still essentially the same skill.