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-top and -bot command - Perfektionist - 2012-10-26
Hello,
everytime i play BTanks i try to get the bottomlane or the toplane. But i have to "spam" (only if someone finish loarding) "top" or "bot". If i dont spam someone who need longer to finish loarding think he is the first who writed top/bot and go on my position :/
Is it possible to add a small window too the screen (like the dead windows) for the first 2 minutes which show who typed first -top or -bot. If noone type -bot or -top the windows doesnt shown.
Perfektionist
RE: -top and -bot command - eSVau - 2012-10-26
Well, i could think of a small board showing who wishes to play on which lane
RE: -top and -bot command - stibi- - 2012-10-26
even tho you typed it first it does not mean that you are the best lane player / the lane belongs to you
imho it's just a gentleman agreement that the other guys let you play on that lane
no need for a boar showing who typed first ...
RE: -top and -bot command - Perfektionist - 2012-10-26
(2012-10-26, 13:52:52)stibi- Wrote: even tho you typed it first it does not mean that you are the best lane player / the lane belongs to you
imho it's just a gentleman agreement that the other guys let you play on that lane
no need for a boar showing who typed first ...
but in btanks there is a huge difference if you play alone on sidelanes or with somebody else. You get less creepkills and less experience. And usaly only good or experienced player take the bot or top lane. And if they fail the team can help the or swap lane. Thats no problem. But the first 5 minutes its better to play alone.
(2012-10-26, 13:30:13)eSVau Wrote: Well, i could think of a small board showing who wishes to play on which lane
thats nice
RE: -top and -bot command - stibi- - 2012-10-26
(2012-10-26, 14:34:55)Perfektionist Wrote: but in btanks there is a huge difference if you play alone on sidelanes or with somebody else. You get less creepkills and less experience. And usaly only good or experienced player take the bot or top lane. And if they fail the team can help the or swap lane. Thats no problem. But the first 5 minutes its better to play alone.
actually it's the other way around ^^
usually there's 1 player each lane and 3 in the mid - so 3 out of your team get less exp/gold
if you have 2 player on one side, 2 in the mid and 1 on the other lane you will only have 2 players in your team with less gold/xp
+ if they work together they can push the enemy back to the tower --> less creeps for the enemy and maybe they are able to kill the tower within the first 5-7 minutes and rush the tp with mortars/creeps
RE: -top and -bot command - Perfektionist - 2012-10-26
(2012-10-26, 19:16:55)stibi- Wrote: actually it's the other way around ^^
usually there's 1 player each lane and 3 in the mid - so 3 out of your team get less exp/gold
if you have 2 player on one side, 2 in the mid and 1 on the other lane you will only have 2 players in your team with less gold/xp
+ if they work together they can push the enemy back to the tower --> less creeps for the enemy and maybe they are able to kill the tower within the first 5-7 minutes and rush the tp with mortars/creeps
but in mid are more creeps for more players
RE: -top and -bot command - Max - 2012-10-26
I don't think it could be a good idea. The guy who will tip first -top or -bot will just be the one who load faster the map. Then a guy with a slow computer who need 60 sec loading time will never tip -top or -bot first and then never go lane? Nah it's not about who tip it first, and i agree with stibi to say that's it's an agreement between players.
There are 2 lanes, and most of games there is no problem to know who get lane and who go mid. And in a game there is always a winner in lane and a looser, and same in mid, not matter how skilled are the players. The aim of playing is to have fun, not to fight about who gets the lane or not.
RE: -top and -bot command - Perfektionist - 2012-10-26
(2012-10-26, 20:29:42)Max Wrote: I don't think it could be a good idea. The guy who will tip first -top or -bot will just be the one who load faster the map. Then a guy with a slow computer who need 60 sec loading time will never tip -top or -bot first and then never go lane? Nah it's not about who tip it first, and i agree with stibi to say that's it's an agreement between players.
There are 2 lanes, and most of games there is no problem to know who get lane and who go mid. And in a game there is always a winner in lane and a looser, and same in mid, not matter how skilled are the players. The aim of playing is to have fun, not to fight about who gets the lane or not.
Thats not my problem
now im "spaming" top or bot... thats the same. And if the one with the slower pc is lucky enough he can take the other lane. If the player who typed -bot or -top first want too change after gamestart he can do this. There is no problem.
RE: -top and -bot command - EarthR - 2012-10-26
(2012-10-26, 14:34:55)Perfektionist Wrote: but in btanks there is a huge difference if you play alone on sidelanes or with somebody else. You get less creepkills and less experience. And usaly only good or experienced player take the bot or top lane. And if they fail the team can help the or swap lane. Thats no problem. But the first 5 minutes its better to play alone.
thats really a bad way of thinking and playing. If you want ot go lane for the first 5 min to get a bit more gold that will only screw the teamate who will have to face the laner after you. because he will be at worst 1 lvl of xp behind his enemy also he will have less gold and at start that gives a huge advantage to the enemy laner.
also i dont mind who wants to play lane(s). the problem comes when less skilled player loses the battle against his opponent something that comes when the enemy reaches lvl 10 and he has lvl 8 at which point even the mid players ((who are usually around lvl 7-8) cant face the enemy laner so anyone who decides to go there will feed. and trust me this happens really often.
the idea of i will go lane to get a bit more xp and gold from creeps from what i would have if i was in middle is a bad one because you will always face (or expect to face) the best enemy players and if you are less skilled you will feed because its 1 on 1 and feed doesnt always mean kills/deaths the feed advantage from creeps is something enormous
RE: -top and -bot command - Perfektionist - 2012-10-26
(2012-10-26, 21:17:16)EarthR Wrote: thats really a bad way of thinking and playing. If you want ot go lane for the first 5 min to get a bit more gold that will only screw the teamate who will have to face the laner after you. because he will be at worst 1 lvl of xp behind his enemy also he will have less gold and at start that gives a huge advantage to the enemy laner.
also i dont mind who wants to play lane(s). the problem comes when less skilled player loses the battle against his opponent something that comes when the enemy reaches lvl 10 and he has lvl 8 at which point even the mid players ((who are usually around lvl 7-8) cant face the enemy laner so anyone who decides to go there will feed. and trust me this happens really often.
the idea of i will go lane to get a bit more xp and gold from creeps from what i would have if i was in middle is a bad one because you will always face (or expect to face) the best enemy players and if you are less skilled you will feed because its 1 on 1 and feed doesnt always mean kills/deaths the feed advantage from creeps is something enormous
and now if somebody plays with you on sidelane thats the same problem.
RE: -top and -bot command - BENNIE.FM - 2012-10-27
if players say lanes first i don't have a problem with going middle ,but i do advise sometimes the lane players they will vs are likely to cause them to struggle.
this is not a problem for well known players,players usually acknowledge who they they are and let them play lane.I find some players get angry when they don't get lane,while some players are happy to play where ever. i used to love middle but i hate playing with tinker ....i wouldn't mind a board stating who said it first but i doubt it would do any harm considering people are already claiming lanes.
I suggested that a pause be implemented for 30 seconds for commanders and discussion abuot lane player it can encourage team work and understanding and gives a few players time to get back it was also acknowledged by a lot of players
RE: -top and -bot command - Perfektionist - 2012-10-27
(2012-10-27, 05:33:01)BENNIE.FM Wrote: if players say lanes first i don't have a problem with going middle ,but i do advise sometimes the lane players they will vs are likely to cause them to struggle.
this is not a problem for well known players,players usually acknowledge who they they are and let them play lane.I find some players get angry when they don't get lane,while some players are happy to play where ever. i used to love middle but i hate playing with tinker ....i wouldn't mind a board stating who said it first but i doubt it would do any harm considering people are already claiming lanes.
I suggested that a pause be implemented for 30 seconds for commanders and discussion abuot lane player it can encourage team work and understanding and gives a few players time to get back it was also acknowledged by a lot of players
but sometimes happend that noone go top or bot. And the good thing of this is, you can see if everylane got a player.
My opinion: I hate mid^^ everywhere rangeplayer and torpedotinkers -.- If you play on sidelane 1 on 1 you can show your skill
But the bad thing is, since the last year more rangeplayer come to the sidelane. But thats another topic.
RE: -top and -bot command - Wupti - 2012-10-30
(2012-10-27, 11:57:42)Perfektionist Wrote: My opinion: I hate mid^^ everywhere rangeplayer and torpedotinkers -.- If you play on sidelane 1 on 1 you can show your skill
what makes you think mid doesn't require skill ?
besides i agree with the rest of the guys, just because someone dl faster it doesnt mean he "owns" the lane - and no spamming bot/top doesnt change that fact. as earlier mentioned it's a gentlemen agreement and sometimes u might should let your teammates go lanes instead of being too selfcentered because you have a faster computer
RE: -top and -bot command - RaptorXI - 2012-10-30
Nevertherless i would like that [player X would like to play on Y (-bot, -top, -mid)] more than spamming at the begin. Some guys don't even realize that their mates are still loading when claiming lanes.
Of course it would still be informal and not a definite claim (and make it possible to swap lanes if needed).
RE: -top and -bot command - Perfektionist - 2012-10-30
(2012-10-30, 19:02:34)Wupti Wrote: what makes you think mid doesn't require skill ?
besides i agree with the rest of the guys, just because someone dl faster it doesnt mean he "owns" the lane - and no spamming bot/top doesnt change that fact. as earlier mentioned it's a gentlemen agreement and sometimes u might should let your teammates go lanes instead of being too selfcentered because you have a faster computer
i never say that mid doesn't require skill! But i think sidelanes require more skill than mid.
Anyway this command will be good to see if someone go top or bot. No more empty lanes. (hope) And everyone can still ask the "faster loarder" if he can go top/bot. I think something like this is easy to script and isnt a big problem?!
RE: -top and -bot command - UnifiedDoom - 2012-10-31
I don't really think people understand the implications of what a command system would do.
Firstly how would it be enforced? Could someone who already claimed top just write "-oust blue" to remove blue from the lane if he's in it but the laner doesn't want him there? There are so many ways to abuse this kind of thing I can't even list all of them. The occurrence of a player who doesn't understand the game going onto a soloer's lane is to uncommon for these kinds of measures.
The lane system is flawed anyway, it distributes exp/gold unevenly between players on the same team, simply because of initial positioning. This presents dire consequences to a team that doesn't put their 2 best players on the lane, and morally obligates players who are "good" to go on the lane anyway rather than enjoy themselves by playing wherever they like and risking an automatic loss.
To counteract this problem I've already suggested increasing the creep spawns in mid, it doesn't have to be 3x creep spawn, but 2.5x would be a lot better than just 2x as it is now.
RE: -top and -bot command - Exodus - 2012-10-31
The way I would tackle such a problem would be, that I'd suggest a 10s spawn delay at the beginning of the game. So the team would have some time to sort things like lane distribution out, before the action begins. That way, no such command would be needed, just like spamming your desired lane.
RE: -top and -bot command - Perfektionist - 2012-10-31
(2012-10-31, 00:49:16)Exodus Wrote: The way I would tackle such a problem would be, that I'd suggest a 10s spawn delay at the beginning of the game. So the team would have some time to sort things like lane distribution out, before the action begins. That way, no such command would be needed, just like spamming your desired lane.
sounds good!