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What exactly is game sabotage - BENNIE.FM - 2012-11-04
ok its obvious i have a general idea of what it means however i noticed a few things that could be judged in different ways.
My first thing is if there is a player who gets kicked 30 time before game starts for excessive ping of 7000ms and then got lucky and game started and then after 5 min he 1-5? and then decides to leave cause of "Lag"
Its pretty obvious if he should of had some responsibility and never joined game ?or at least not have taken a lane ...
The other day i played a game where a player refused to play this team we might of won they still had a good chance,when we took middle we had 3 players on 200 hp and well the player that wasn't playing as part of the team just went down the lane and crept he refused to play so much he didn't want triple kill.
Wouldn't you call it sabotage to the the point the lost middle and game cause of a player just not caring i mean that's what sabotage is ?
The other situations that could be seen as sabotage my point is some of this should be ban-able or admins should be able to put a rating on players who flame or sabotage so at least it shows when they join on game or penalize points or something or ban im not sure it just seems stupid at times
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - DJantoine - 2012-11-04
I would add also that overusing tinker having over 3 or more torpedos and keep playing like that while team loses need to be a valid reason at all .
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - dirtyterror - 2012-11-07
That player was me Bennie and im suprised you dont understand that i never had lagg even when i was kicked 7000 times from a wait room with 7000 ping during the game. Why you pretend that you are stupid? I kinda know you are not
And you know that i can play on 3g even when im at work. That was a first time since like 100 games on this conection when i had delay in game. Are you mad that normally my 3g from phone is better than your main inet conection?
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - BENNIE.FM - 2012-11-07
terror as much as i like you there are multiple players who happen to have your problem then dc,or leave cause of lag
Ow yea and next time you play vs someone and lag dont call them noob cause they kill you another childish act on your part ,just seems stupid to have to start talking shit ^^ i don't want to play a big deal out of this so yea no need to reply "cause i know its going to go along the lines of he said something first ! lol
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - Max - 2012-11-07
(2012-11-04, 14:25:00)DJantoine Wrote: I would add also that overusing tinker having over 3 or more torpedos and keep playing like that while team loses need to be a valid reason at all .
Well i don't think overusing a tinker can make a team loose. A good tinker can overuse it as much he wants bc it can make team win. I did share a replay of that a week ago and RaptorXI did the same 1 or 2 weeks before that. A good tinker is same as any good tier 1 tank player (medivac, or scout => jack hijack (if my memories are good) played 1h30 scout without failing). As any tier 1 tank player can fail, i think tinker can fail same. And if he fails too much you still have the opportunity to kick him
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - EarthR - 2012-11-07
(2012-11-07, 12:35:58)Max Wrote:max there is problem in your thinking(2012-11-04, 14:25:00)DJantoine Wrote: I would add also that overusing tinker having over 3 or more torpedos and keep playing like that while team loses need to be a valid reason at all .
Well i don't think overusing a tinker can make a team loose. A good tinker can overuse it as much he wants bc it can make team win. I did share a replay of that a week ago and RaptorXI did the same 1 or 2 weeks before that. A good tinker is same as any good tier 1 tank player (medivac, or scout => jack hijack (if my memories are good) played 1h30 scout without failing). As any tier 1 tank player can fail, i think tinker can fail same. And if he fails too much you still have the opportunity to kick him
. A good player knows what he is doing and what tank he will use doesnt change that the problem comes when someone who doesnt know wtf he is doing overusing tinker. Also a good player knows when something he is using can hold or not if your team had trouble you would have changed tinker and wouldnt stay with it same with hijacks scout. Dont compare players that know how the game works to those that just overuse it because thats the only thing they can do
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - DJantoine - 2012-11-07
(2012-11-07, 12:35:58)Max Wrote: A good tinker is same as any good tier 1 tank player (medivac, or scout => jack hijack (if my memories are good) played 1h30 scout without failing). As any tier 1 tank player can fail, i think tinker can fail same. And if he fails too much you still have the opportunity to kick him
Look on example how is it useless while cp defending in spite of modules ability i still claim it's wrecking the team morale in such cases specially against enemy troops equals instant feed . In general team including bad laner + 2 tinkers leads to quickly lost CP and usually players not picking tinker are up to giveup the game as soon as possible . And then if players still keep playing tinker is in 99% games lost just mass dc's might save their game from getting lose .
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - Max - 2012-11-07
If a team got 2 bad laners, tinker change tank most of the time. They are only stupid tinkers who don't. Ofc i talk about players who know when to change tank if needed and how long they can hold tinker while it's not ruining game. But this problem is the same for lot of tanks, that's my point. I saw some players getting 10k weapon at 55 min (and 5k hp), of frost robot at 55 mark. Is it ban-able for the same reason? This is stupid to play this way (as keep playing tinker even if team is loosing) but are "stupid" players can be ban-able just because they are stupid? Then there won't be a lot of playing keep playing
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - DJantoine - 2012-11-07
I just saw doing weapon upgrades for player's own spawning troops after losing all CP's + factories . How about rating that ?
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - Max - 2012-11-07
Well hard to say. It is stupid for sure, but if game is lost (loosing all cp + facs hard to get back - not impossible but hard) it's not important (this changes nothing in the end). It's still stupid but how is it sabotage if the game can't be won? And even if the game can be won, sometimes upgrading creeps can help team. Try in qualify to up creeps attack 5 or 6 times at a time and see the difference it can make on the game (ofc if you do it before all opponents got tier 3 tanks)... It all depend on the way game is going on imo, but i can't see any sabotage in it (it's oly my opinion). Sabotage could have been if guy sell all to make those ups for example, or make a game lost because stupid ideas in purpose. If the guy doesn't really know how the game works, then it's not a real sabotage (just my opinion again)...
Imo sabotage is making team loose a game in purpose, whatever way used by the player to do so.
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - cRo_best - 2012-11-08
Boob.fm
There is no game sabotage just boobs like u !!!
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - dirtyterror - 2012-11-08
Why you think i will despute with you? Do you rly think i dont know when im being nasty and when im ok? He didnt provoke me. I was just rly frustrated.
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - BENNIE.FM - 2012-11-08
(2012-11-08, 00:49:06)dirtyterror Wrote: Why you think i will despute with you? Do you rly think i dont know when im being nasty and when im ok? He didnt provoke me. I was just rly frustrated.
ok just thought you were a bit better then that
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - dirtyterror - 2012-11-09
(2012-11-08, 00:52:31)BENNIE.FM Wrote:(2012-11-08, 00:49:06)dirtyterror Wrote: Why you think i will despute with you? Do you rly think i dont know when im being nasty and when im ok? He didnt provoke me. I was just rly frustrated.
ok just thought you were a bit better then that
Well sometimes i am sometimes not, im just a weak man
And i was more frustrated about the conection iteslve that the fact that some one is killing me.
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - DJantoine - 2012-12-02
Last Game : 4 rocket hail + powerpack as heli doesn't communicate to team about buying tank within over 1hour of the game , keeps more LR 2 rocket hail on 2,5k hp , just annoying mates on the middle as playing silly way like this . I'm certain he's no a new player just a new type fun account of somebody else playing as DreamsWorks .
I suppose he's doing the same that in each of ranked games . If ban requesting him wouldn't be approved what is the you suggestion of preventing him from that iritating gameplay?
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - Ch4oSxD - 2012-12-02
(2012-12-02, 19:23:04)DJantoine Wrote: Last Game : 4 rocket hail + powerpack as heli doesn't communicate to team about buying tank within over 1hour of the game , keeps more LR 2 rocket hail on 2,5k hp , just annoying mates on the middle as playing silly way like this . I'm certain he's no a new player just a new type fun account of somebody else playing as DreamsWorks .
I suppose he's doing the same that in each of ranked games . If ban requesting him wouldn't be approved what is the you suggestion of preventing him from that iritating gameplay?
he is a noob, 2 tactics
1.lane tinker, mass range weapons, > heli
2. scout + hull + bow > hunter
i prefere his 2nd tactic, the first tactik he has stolen from paxifixi ( with tinker torpedo)
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - DJantoine - 2012-12-02
Well he doesn't play like a newbie just watch the replay he played like for over 40mins with 2,5k hp without mass feeding .
If he was beginner he'd rather listen to tips instead of selfish long-range playing . Have a look on game review http://league.btanks.net/game.php?gameid=34643
His bounty was higher than mine while i had 15 kills more . I Know he outfarmed mid guys nevertheless his gameplay looks like obvious heli LR overusing to make his team own lose.
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - Max - 2013-01-07
Is kicking a player who is actually reconnecting with gproxy just to win a game is game sabotage?
==> http://league.btanks.net/game.php?gameid=35488
RE: What exactly is game sabotage - Wapiti. - 2013-01-08
(2013-01-07, 18:50:59)Max Wrote: Is kicking a player who is actually reconnecting with gproxy just to win a game is game sabotage?
==> http://league.btanks.net/game.php?gameid=35488
No, its called "strategy for win"
