2012-07-13, 20:36:56
(2012-07-13, 12:46:51)Prog Wrote: How do you counter a Gobo with teleporter with a single teleport breaker?
Perhaps a "single" teleport breaker was an exaggeration. But I was dicussing a player from mid getting goblin+tp and using it to gank the side lanes. A coordinated team effort can score a kill of course in a 2v1, even if the goblin gets hit by a breaker, but just getting hit by one breaker will probalbly make goblin's think twice about ganking agressively a side lane for longer than just 3 minutes. Goblin in my view is the only tank can't "play around" a teleport breaker without actually destroying the breaker both for ganks and teamfights.
(2012-07-13, 12:46:51)Prog Wrote: How do you counter a Gobo with a Thunder tank on side lanes?
It's plausible to assume if both players don't have tp that thunder will get it's spells off first every single time due to the higher range. This means that goblin is very suseptible to being 2v1'd by the enemy team if anyone from the thunder's team is camping. Plus thunder will also have an extra 2500 gold to work with, this is easily enough to buy steel hull or upgraded burst armor, two excellent goblin counters. So as long as the thunder is playing defense (which is easy for thunder with arua), goblin will always be taking a huge risk if it even tries to attack the thunder, because unlike other tanks it's very easy to see when goblin is going to attack before it actually does. Of course thunder won't be able to play "offensive" against a goblin (which is pointless anyway), if goblin can do one thing it's camp effectively with 2 different aoe spells against creeps.
(2012-07-13, 12:46:51)Prog Wrote: Why do you compare Gobo with the perfect counter to Goblin (earth)?
Because it has a similiar price and supposedly the same purpose (counter to mass ground and a close range fighter). Albeit one is more of a "ganker" where the other is more a "teamfighter."
(2012-07-13, 12:46:51)Prog Wrote: You view seems very biased. Gobo is just fine and wrecks games if played well, because it punishes mistakes very hard. You cant stop gobo from creeping. You cant stop gobo from destroying your tower. As soon as he gets porter you cant stop gobo from getting kills by roaming around a lot and creating 2v1s. Just a single Gobo can make the whole opponent team play very defensive because of the insane burst damage.
I'll admit my view is biased, this entire post was inspired by a player's bad play with goblin without tp. Any tank can do extremely well if played by a good player (even architect
). I played another ranked game yesterday with an allied goblin that proves this point. But he switched when he was rich, and almost completely skipped the weak "goblin without tp phase." Heavy can roam around just as well as goblin and get the same results (although being slightly harder to use) and heavy doesn't need to deal with the extremely slow start without tp. Either type of armor will make goblin solo ganks look like a joke (except vs mass ice cannon in which upgraded burst is clearly superior).