2012-09-07, 01:31:50
(This post was last modified: 2012-09-07, 01:34:32 by UnifiedDoom.)
No T4 tank? No teleporter? You've basically just disregarded anything [/u]that could make T4 longrange useful....
This is only true because you took more creeps and kills than your allies via longrange. You do realise that this makes your allies more poor and thus the burden falls on you, as the richest player on the team, to buy a tank first.
And what if they escape with tp? You claimed in your post and in an earlier discussion with me that tp is not a nessacary tool to play longrange effectively so no saying "just chase after them with tp."
You're only the last man standing becuase you let your team die covering for you. And more often than not your team will lose for that exact reason. Either way what you accomplished being the last man standing could have just as easily been accomplished by just being another standard player. Those fights are won by the first people that go in... not the last people that just hover by after and take all the kills/cp.
It's true that skills are flat damage, but they are compounded with weapons. It's easily possible to share damage without being caught in skills (especially now that chaos tp aoe has been nerfed). Tp can be used to dodge infernal chaos tp, however without a breaker it is indeed impossible to dodge the skyfort tp>ulti>bombs without teamwork.
Enless you tell me what exactly these "super" builds of yours are, there isn't even any reason for you to mention them. Longrange can be effective without tp? I'd like to see some evidence. This isn't the kind of place where people "steal" strategies for crying out loud, Wupti made a comprehensive guide on the imba 8.75 raider.
Alternative to axe/bombs? Why just those weapons? Do you mean it's good to take it against a team of 4-5 infernals/titans? Why?
This is really minor, I'd say only about 10% of the bt players even know how to do the fake tp. (if you don't know it involves pressing "h" for hold position and NOT "s" for stop). And what if they DO actually attack? 300 extra range isn't much of a cushion if you're gonna get smashed by infernals. You've already dug your own grave by saying you don't buy tp.
What can you do with acid cannon that you can't do with supercell/physcho/photon bombs though? You still hang out farther back than the rest of your shortrange team and have them take all the damage. At least a midrange T4 can go into the enemy cp if nessecary.
Actually if you go solo anywhere. Especially without a T4 tank as you describe you're just food for any enemy sky fortress. Saying "breaker the whole map" is an easy arguement, but how many people actually do it? I'd say close to zero. A sky fortress can easily just eat you during a teamfight taking very minimal damage and then going back to help his teammates.
(2012-09-06, 14:12:27)Teo_live Wrote: - DPS is not a disadvantage, since you spent more money on weapons than HP... your DPS tends to be quite high anyway.
This is only true because you took more creeps and kills than your allies via longrange. You do realise that this makes your allies more poor and thus the burden falls on you, as the richest player on the team, to buy a tank first.
(2012-09-06, 14:12:27)Teo_live Wrote: - Escaping enemies on Low HP have a much harder time not being killed
And what if they escape with tp? You claimed in your post and in an earlier discussion with me that tp is not a nessacary tool to play longrange effectively so no saying "just chase after them with tp."
(2012-09-06, 14:12:27)Teo_live Wrote: - During drawn out CP battles you can attack others while they can't attack you, this more often than not leads to the LR tank being the "last-man-standing" and capturing the CP.
You're only the last man standing becuase you let your team die covering for you. And more often than not your team will lose for that exact reason. Either way what you accomplished being the last man standing could have just as easily been accomplished by just being another standard player. Those fights are won by the first people that go in... not the last people that just hover by after and take all the kills/cp.
(2012-09-06, 14:12:27)Teo_live Wrote: - IMHO over 50% of the damage from CP battles is from skills rather than weapons. Skills are not share-damage. Avoiding AOE kill zones provides a contingency for your team when attacking/defending CP's.
It's true that skills are flat damage, but they are compounded with weapons. It's easily possible to share damage without being caught in skills (especially now that chaos tp aoe has been nerfed). Tp can be used to dodge infernal chaos tp, however without a breaker it is indeed impossible to dodge the skyfort tp>ulti>bombs without teamwork.
(2012-09-06, 14:12:27)Teo_live Wrote: - Certain LR builds and styles (mostly invented by my insanity, so I dunno why some people copied them) don't require wasting money on teleport/speed packs to be effective. Even in late game..
Enless you tell me what exactly these "super" builds of yours are, there isn't even any reason for you to mention them. Longrange can be effective without tp? I'd like to see some evidence. This isn't the kind of place where people "steal" strategies for crying out loud, Wupti made a comprehensive guide on the imba 8.75 raider.
(2012-09-06, 14:12:27)Teo_live Wrote: - LR is a great alternative to anti-ground weaponry
Alternative to axe/bombs? Why just those weapons? Do you mean it's good to take it against a team of 4-5 infernals/titans? Why?
(2012-09-06, 14:12:27)Teo_live Wrote: - Enemies (especially Inf's) cannot get in range to "fake" attack a CP without being punished by your acid cannon. Every failed advance will soften them a little.
This is really minor, I'd say only about 10% of the bt players even know how to do the fake tp. (if you don't know it involves pressing "h" for hold position and NOT "s" for stop). And what if they DO actually attack? 300 extra range isn't much of a cushion if you're gonna get smashed by infernals. You've already dug your own grave by saying you don't buy tp.
(2012-09-06, 14:12:27)Teo_live Wrote: - LR has high synergy with your team if they are mostly Short-Ranged
What can you do with acid cannon that you can't do with supercell/physcho/photon bombs though? You still hang out farther back than the rest of your shortrange team and have them take all the damage. At least a midrange T4 can go into the enemy cp if nessecary.
(2012-09-06, 14:12:27)Teo_live Wrote: - If nothing else, being LR is quite an annoying distraction for your enemy. They will quite often suicide to try get an "easy kill" out of you. Also they will waste money and skills trying to specifically counter you. If your team are evil they can use you as bait..
Actually if you go solo anywhere. Especially without a T4 tank as you describe you're just food for any enemy sky fortress. Saying "breaker the whole map" is an easy arguement, but how many people actually do it? I'd say close to zero. A sky fortress can easily just eat you during a teamfight taking very minimal damage and then going back to help his teammates.