What exactly is needed for someone being banned?

[griffin1987]

Hello,

As i feel a bit of discontent about the last approvement / disapprovement of bans, I'd like to ask (as I've not been able to find an elaborate explanation on the topic):

What EXACTLY are the requirements for someone being banned?

As far as i can deduce by the approvement list, the following does not matter:

Flaming or Insults, if it can be deduced that the player had a reason for flaming ( really, there IS NO REASON FOR FLAMING, i don't get it - but it seems to be that way )

Instead, the following seems to matter:

Switching tank late game to something which is not seen as being appropriate (so you ban players based on skill I take it?)

Can someone of the league admins please elaborate on the topic? I just want to understand it, so I don't feel as discontent as I'm right now.

Thank you very much, and please don't take this as being offensive, as that's not the way it's meant - I'm always very grateful for the work you're doing concerning btanks.

_edit:
The only thing which seems to clearly lead to a ban is afk'ing, though I can't deduce how long or under what circumstances someone has to be afk to be banned.
By the way, do you ban based on playername or based on WC3 key? If it's the former one it seems pretty useless to me actually...

[Tynkywinky]

By the way, do you ban based on playername or based on WC3 key? If it's the former one it seems pretty useless to me actually...

I guess its player name and IP-adress, sometimes without the IP

[Saiyuki]

there are many facts to consider, e.g.:
# how many games did the player do until now?
if he's dying pretty often or doesn't have the necessary know-how he might just be new to ranked league games. you can't simply compare the quality of the gameplay of qualify games with ranked games.

# what are the stats for the player like?
way too high duration for being afk in total or i too high ratio in kills/deaths might add to the whole decision.

# how did his gameplay/misbehaviour develop?
had he been provoked to misbehave, e.g. bad economy after randomly having the team wanting him to be kicked or him insulting players after offended himself

# how did the owner of the replay/requesting player behave ingame?
did the requesting player provide enough chances for the requested player to act differently, e.g. changing lanes, getting hull, ..

there are even more facts to consider, but as a whole we always try to give players another chance playing bt with their prefered account with a slight difference in opinion within the league admins.

i, myself, tolerate some flaming as a whole, as you always have the ingame option to ignore/squelsh him. getting my approval would need him to insult other players, sabotaging the team, (not playing while not) being afk (without notice, for more than 60s) and/or not showing any signs of teamplay.
but even if some player may get my disapproval for the ban request, it may add to the decision next time, so he better not get reported in here often. i also like to users behave while writing a request. using any strange kind of speech, not providing all informations or getting off topic will most likely affect my decision.

! By the way, do you ban based on playername or based on WC3 key?
it's just way easier to ban the playername, moreover the player would need to create a new account and would have to gain access to the ranked bot again. we only tend to block by IP adress in some extreme cases, as there might come up some problems by doing so for other players as well.

[Velocity2k]

! By the way, do you ban based on playername or based on WC3 key?
it's just way easier to ban the playername, moreover the player would need to create a new account and would have to gain access to the ranked bot again. we only tend to block by IP adress in some extreme cases, as there might come up some problems by doing so for other players as well.

In fact it's impossible to ban the WC3 key. We are not blizzard -> we don't know the player-keys.

[RaptorXI]

In fact it's impossible to ban the WC3 key.

FALSE [only because you can't here => doesn't automatically need to mean that it's impossible at all (Blizzard can and do ban)]

-> we don't know the player-keys.

True (exception: every individuum should know its own key)

[Velocity2k]

In fact it's impossible to ban the WC3 key.

FALSE [only because you can't here => doesn't automatically need to mean that it's impossible at all (Blizzard can and do ban)]

-> we don't know the player-keys.

True (exception: every individuum should know its own key)

Thanks for repeating exactly what i just wrote.....

In fact it's impossible to ban the WC3 key. We are not blizzard -> we don't know the player-keys.

[RaptorXI]

No, that's not correct. If you make an implication we look at the implication and at the implication only.

[Velocity2k]

Didn't know that i have to explain everything for children.

It's quite obvious that you could ban by WC3 key if you knew them...
Or is cogitation forbidden?

But i'll translate my two sentences for you:
"In fact it's impossible to ban the WC3 key. We are not blizzard -> we don't know the player-keys."
In fact for US it's impossible to ban by WC3 key because WE don't know the keys of the players, only blizzard does.

I'm sorry if this is still too hard to understand.

[griffin1987]

Didn't know that i have to explain everything for children.

It's quite obvious that you could ban by WC3 key if you knew them...
Or is cogitation forbidden?

But i'll translate my two sentences for you:
"In fact it's impossible to ban the WC3 key. We are not blizzard -> we don't know the player-keys."
In fact for US it's impossible to ban by WC3 key because WE don't know the keys of the players, only blizzard does.

I'm sorry if this is still too hard to understand.

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Back on topic:
http://code.google.com/p/bncsutil/source/checkout

Has a CDKeyDecode class, maybe that would help?
And ghost++ (at least the version i still got) seems to be using that exact library...
Or did I get something wrong? (didn't dig to the ground there, as I'm rather busy with other stuff at the moment unfortunately)

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i, myself, tolerate some flaming as a whole, as you always have the ingame option to ignore/squelsh him. getting my approval would need him to insult other players, sabotaging the team, (not playing while not) being afk (without notice, for more than 60s) and/or not showing any signs of teamplay.
but even if some player may get my disapproval for the ban request, it may add to the decision next time, so he better not get reported in here often. i also like to users behave while writing a request. using any strange kind of speech, not providing all informations or getting off topic will most likely affect my decision.

If I get that right:
People may misbehave ingame as much as they like, but you may not misbehave when requesting a ban of someone. Right?

_edit:
Also, what exactly is an "insult" in your eyes? Because all of the ban requests I posted had what I'd call insults in them, and still got disapproved ("idiots", "noobs", ...) ...

[Velocity2k]

Back on topic:
http://code.google.com/p/bncsutil/source/checkout

Has a CDKeyDecode class, maybe that would help?
And ghost++ (at least the version i still got) seems to be using that exact library...
Or did I get something wrong? (didn't dig to the ground there, as I'm rather busy with other stuff at the moment unfortunately)

Afaik this is only used for the bot to login on the battle.net servers (BNCSutil = Battle.Net Chat Server Utilities).
The bot doesn't receive the keys from the players and it doesn't need them. You can also have a bot on a pvpgn server where you don't need a valid key.

[RaptorXI]

Back on topic:
http://code.google.com/p/bncsutil/source/checkout

Has a CDKeyDecode class, maybe that would help?
And ghost++ (at least the version i still got) seems to be using that exact library...
Or did I get something wrong? (didn't dig to the ground there, as I'm rather busy with other stuff at the moment unfortunately)

Afaik this is only used for the bot to login on the battle.net servers (BNCSutil = Battle.Net Chat Server Utilities).
The bot doesn't receive the keys from the players and it doesn't need them. You can also have a bot on a pvpgn server where you don't need a valid key.

Of course cogitation is allowed in here.

[Prog]

If I get that right:
People may misbehave ingame as much as they like, but you may not misbehave when requesting a ban of someone. Right?

_edit:
Also, what exactly is an "insult" in your eyes? Because all of the ban requests I posted had what I'd call insults in them, and still got disapproved ("idiots", "noobs", ...) ...

Saiyuki wrote that some flaming is tolerated, not that anyone is allowed to misbehave as much as they like. We cannot ban everyone who just writes "noob" once in a game, but of course excessive flaming will be banned. We need to see at first if there is misbehaviour and if so we need to judge if it justifies a ban (which is not easy at all, as there are frequently borderline decisions). Obviously it is impossible to give precise rules when we ban and when we don't, the situations vary too much. Saiyuki pointed to general factors we look for when a ban request is reviewed.

[El_Polacco]

yea flaming for german people is allowed people can fool around about every nation and admins really dont care about it.
Example half of germans insult when losing on a racial background and it's ok . You can shit on poorer people who are said are worse
Bad mannered people like Agginator are tolerated here who just hate people from any other country

''While it is indeed a wrong and intolerant/racist remark I don't think it is to be banned. I believe that he didn't intend to be racist, but rather did not think before writing.
Unfortunately there is a prejudice existing in german speaking countries and I really hope he just thought he would be clever with a combination of this prejudice with the bt-terminology of stealing kills (and it is not clever at all).'' Ban Request disapproved by Prog

[Prog]

How about quoting all of it?

While it is indeed a wrong and intolerant/racist remark I don't think it is to be banned. I believe that he didn't intend to be racist, but rather did not think before writing.
Unfortunately there is a prejudice existing in german speaking countries and I really hope he just thought he would be clever with a combination of this prejudice with the bt-terminology of stealing kills (and it is not clever at all).
We'll keep an eye on this. If it turns out to be indeed a problem of racism, it will get punished.

disapproved

You have to know that Agginator has more than 500 posts here and is active for a very long time without any sign of racism. You can't ban someone for saying something stupid once and there is not enough evidence to base it on racism. Even the ban requester was surprised because Agginator acted rather friendly before.



Also: I'm not german.

[AGGInator]

there was a ban request for me? :O

i'm a bit confused now... and i could't find the request. i would like to see what i'm blamed for.

and wtf? racism? i already wrote a big essay in this forum why i'm against it Oo

[El_Polacco]

"go steal wheels in germany cars u polish shit'' I guess it's really polite and unreasonable to ban for most admins so sad story to harming reputation of any other nations

[AGGInator]

ah ok.. this.
i do remember. sry for that.
in fact i saw a dokumentation or news some days before with a statistic of the raise of criminality near to the polish / czech frontier. (since eu frontiers are gone)
it raised about 30% and even more at stealing cars and wheels. the most proven delicts were done by polish or czech/slov people.
maybe i was a bit prejudiced by that.

i guess/hope you aren't one of them and hope you won't take it too personally anymore. and u'd provoke it a bit.

again sry for my language, won't happen again.

[El_Polacco]

its typical racism thinking that mid east european people are stealers it doesnt mean they must be flamed or they are worse.
Come on admins he needs to learn good manners or lets again defend him he doesnt deserve ban .
He still thinks slavic people are shit this time i hope my request can be accepted

[Saiyuki]

you want someone to be banned? sure, go ahead, play with or against him on a league game and report a clear reason with all informations why he should be banned.

[El_Polacco]

request was posted but admin said it's ok and each other nation can be fooled around