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Re: Yet another: Please fix sky fort. Ruins games. - Tom-Ace - 2009-03-02
ChronicStoned Wrote:eeeehm, WHAT THE F**k?!
i don't think this is possible Oo
custom kick can only be used if you're host and if newbcake has been kicked out he had no way to kick anyone, besides he was sitting next to you and pulled out your inet wire Oo
He never custom kicked anyone, after he was kicked it would say "Newbcake2 votes to kick xxxx". And every minute it would ask to vote to kick someone, not that he was custom kicking anyone, he was just able to start a vote kick even after he was gone.
Re: Yet another: Please fix sky fort. Ruins games. - ChronicStoned - 2009-03-02
i don't know how this can happen =(
do you saved the replay?
i'm sure it would help alot.
Re: Yet another: Please fix sky fort. Ruins games. - bangyouredead - 2009-03-03
There are progs out there that now allow non-hosts to kick players, and I've heard from quite a few people that newbcake2 and 3 cheat/ck/etc. It's prob some type of hack or prog they dled, since they don't sound very clever. They always insisted on hosting even when bennie lagged 2 sec in our 2v2, so we finally said fuck it and played. Also, newb3 had some pretty high priced weapons very early, while his teammate hardly had anything...I was wondering, didn't think that was possible but now that you said he stacked a teammate with no share it makes me wonder....I would never play them league or with them hosting again.
Re: Yet another: Please fix sky fort. Ruins games. - Althend - 2009-03-03
I think that being good at bt makes you successful in life and have a lot of girl/boy/animal/friends whenever you want...
Re: Yet another: Please fix sky fort. Ruins games. - bangyouredead - 2009-03-03
I might do a private porno tonight does that count? Hot sex hot chick and money, what else can you ask for? lol Hopefully I won't be asking for AIDS
Re: Yet another: Please fix sky fort. Ruins games. - newbcake3 - 2009-03-03
"no i dont get mad over video games" -bangyouredead
Re: Yet another: Please fix sky fort. Ruins games. - jonjon - 2009-03-03
horselance Wrote:In 1v1 Sky Fortress is best. It takes half damage for 4.x sec and if game is end game, you kill or die very fast. So Sky fortress gets the advantage of 50k hp for 4 sec. Enough to kill a 38k Titan with same weapons. Also Sky has initiative of instant-cast ability, while Titan needs targeting and projectile delay.
But in 5v5 it is not same. Titan has AoE advantage, team protection advantage, destructive advantage. And sky is vulnerable to multi targets. While you can bravely walk on 2-3 targets with titan...
You forgot to count the armor / dmg reduction of titan as opposed Sky Fort. But yes, even with the same weapons I agree that that Sky Fortress should not even come close as to compare with Titan being 9k more expensive + 13500 / 9 armor upgrades / 45 minutes especially in a 1-vs-1 situation.
On the team aspect, don't expect all 5 people to be huddled up together all the time. If a sky fort was ninja (and yes, we do have at least 1 ninja or backdoorer in our games), you'd have to allocate more than 1 resource to him. If you always got to allocate at least 2 people to one Sky Fortress just to stop one ability, that is a little unfair. 5-v-5 may be a team game, but when you're all split up trying to protect your lanes it's a different story.
Althend makes a good point though. Fortress does have the only useful ability to stun as it is instant, compared to Infernal who's stun has delay, bleeding obvious to tell when it is being cast and easily avoided. Even a Titan's stun requires manual aiming and can easily be avoided. While tanks like Fortress can more easily avoid a Titan's stun, only that of Titan's abilities can hurt a Sky Fortress. Sky Fortress can hurt it with 3.
These are my proposed changes:
Make the Sky Fortress more expensive than Infernal. 20-21k perhaps.
OR
Improve Titans stun ability. Make it instant and area, like for instance draws a circle in the ground at a certain size and then a pillar of light and/or electricity rises and stuns everyone in that area.
OR
Titan's Devil Explosion should affect air but at 25% reduced damage
OR
Since you're giving 50% reduced attack power to the victim, allow specials to be used at the same damage rate. Except when the victim stuns, the ulti still takes effect, until someone else stuns.
Re: Yet another: Please fix sky fort. Ruins games. - jonjon - 2009-03-03
newbcake3 Wrote:"no i dont get mad over video games" -bangyouredead
Can someone ban him please? It's not even constructive.
Re: Yet another: Please fix sky fort. Ruins games. - Althend - 2009-03-03
jonjon Wrote:newbcake3 Wrote:"no i dont get mad over video games" -bangyouredead
Can someone ban him please? It's not even constructive.
Banning for teenager-flaming does not change anything. If it is not him, then it would be another. I don't see why people care, many people on bnet whine/flame/complain; just ignore it and remember that the game is here for the fun. Soon or later someone who duels him and beats him. You may put a replay on the forum but he would complain aboutlag/anything and ask for revenge... (ref to a.searsh)
Just focus on the interesting point: Is the sky fortress imba or not? Making him need 16 armor upgrads requirement? Etc..
Re: Yet another: Please fix sky fort. Ruins games. - jonjon - 2009-03-03
Althend Wrote:Banning for teenager-flaming does not change anything. If it is not him, then it would be another. I don't see why people care, many people on bnet whine/flame/complain; just ignore it and remember that the game is here for the fun. Soon or later someone who duels him and beats him. You may put a replay on the forum but he would complain aboutlag/anything and ask for revenge... (ref to a.searsh)
Just focus on the interesting point: Is the sky fortress imba or not? Making him need 16 armor upgrads requirement? Etc..
Negative attitudes rubs on other people and creates an environment nobody enjoys.
But I did already make my point just above lol
Re: Yet another: Please fix sky fort. Ruins games. - Princess_Bob - 2009-03-03
What you ask for and get are usually two very different things
Re: Yet another: Please fix sky fort. Ruins games. - Dr.McNinja - 2009-03-03
Ideas:
Stacking a single player can be done through selling weapons and having a single player buy them (75% cost). Effectively, the team is losing 25% per item cost. 25% of an item isnt THAT much a price for the ability to stack another player. Or another way to think of it is, 25% tax to transfer item to another teammate.
Could leave enemy tanks for a single player to last-hit-kill.
In a duel situation with sky fortress at a cp, build laser or cannon tower quickly and place all weapons inside making the sky forts ult less effective/completely ineffective. Then pick up weapons when towers dead or stun etc.. Should be enough to kill sky fortess if he is raping you. Particularly effective against the forts stun because he is stunned too.
Re: Yet another: Please fix sky fort. Ruins games. - horselance - 2009-03-03
Quote:In a duel situation with sky fortress at a cp, build laser or cannon tower quickly and place all weapons inside making the sky forts ult less effective/completely ineffective. Then pick up weapons when towers dead or stun etc.. Should be enough to kill sky fortess if he is raping you. Particularly effective against the forts stun because he is stunned too.
it does not take half damage from stunned tank. It takes half damage overall. I don't get why you place your weapons in tower. It will only protect you from incoming damage yes. But cost you more gold than probably enemy tank bounty (if you manage to kill it).