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Re: New modes reduce BT-Players by half - Paladon - 2010-01-16

Oh scron, you simply don't get it as it seems.
Noone here removes a mode because the mode could be harder or easier, everyone here is winning and loosing games.

Maybe you would notice that the removal of the high bounty mode doesn't mean, that we're changing nothing concerning Normal and other modes.
You simply seem to ask for a "hb" mode without caring what's included. We're working the other way 'round, we improve the already balanced (balance concerning gameplay) modes in order to keep also the positive aspects of "high bounty". But sadly, a few people people, just as you, are "working" very deconstructive.
How's about being helpful and working to get your reasons why you practically love "high bounty" kept in BT instead of trying to get something worse back to somekind of existence?

Re: New modes reduce BT-Players by half - scron2 - 2010-01-16

Well don't ask me why there are dedicated HB bots on bnet now lol.
HB still fills faster.

The debate of the balance of HB isn't an issue. It is not unbalanced as people think it is.
The claims made have no substance whatsoever 90% of the time. About all you can say
is that it made for other strategies to work. This doesn't mean that old ones can't work.

Honestly the removal of HB was because you know that the average noob on bent could
give 2 shits about regular mode. This is why it was removed. Whatever, old maps exist
and that's your problem now.

Let's keep this aspect of gameplay simple and to the point: More gold to spend = more fun.
People don't care about the intricacies of normal mode because it takes too long and if you
don't play right, it becomes even more pointless to play because of the learning curve.
HB's curve is balanced more nicely because you can't get boxxed into not having gold as
easily. The edge loss you complain about is the balance that noobs likely want/need.

So what exactly is the motivation behind removing HB? Well you CLAIM it's not balanced.
But many people prefer to play it rather than normal mode. So let's balance the mode less people
play. Call me as "Destructive" as you like, but the actions of removing HB are just that.
I'm not even arguing because I like HB. I really could care less about it... pro mode is all that
is hosted now it's just the fact that you deny a fair chunk of the bnet population what they want by
completely removing it. I really think removing it was not the correct answer. It was a selfish
act to remove HB to cause normal mode games to fill up faster, which seems to be the real
motivation.

Re: New modes reduce BT-Players by half - Lezowski - 2010-01-16

scron2 Wrote:So what exactly is the motivation behind removing HB? Well you CLAIM it's not balanced.
But many people prefer to play it rather than normal mode. So let's balance the mode less people
play. Call me as "Destructive" as you like, but the actions of removing HB are just that.
I'm not even arguing because I like HB. I really could care less about it... pro mode is all that
is hosted now it's just the fact that you deny a fair chunk of the bnet population what they want by
completely removing it. I really think removing it was not the correct answer. It was a selfish
act to remove HB to cause normal mode games to fill up faster, which seems to be the real
motivation.


That may be the case for Azeroth but not entirely the other servers.

Re: New modes reduce BT-Players by half - eSVau - 2010-01-16

Let's have a look at http://www.mapgnome.org/, and in case direct linking won't work, the search query was: "Battle Tanks"

Last 30days:
Red ones are the last 5khb autohost version. Mapgnomes data do not show any significant drop to BT games at all (which this table won't tell you, but i regularly watch those data).

P.S: please spare it to mention DotA, it won't matter nor do i care about it and it has always much more players than any other custom map (besides kalimdor)

Re: New modes reduce BT-Players by half - khEg - 2010-01-16

eSVau Wrote:Let's have a look at http://www.mapgnome.org/, and in case direct linking won't work, the search query was: "Battle Tanks"

Last 30days:
Red ones are the last 5khb autohost version. Mapgnomes data do not show any significant drop to BT games at all (which this table won't tell you, but i regularly watch those data).

Maybe worth to mention that 8.67d was first hosted on dec 27th 09

best regards
khEg

Re: New modes reduce BT-Players by half - Tom-Ace - 2010-01-17

Very interesting numbers, but is there anyway to show how many bot use one version over the other? Because you can have 10 bots hosting .67d and only 1 hosting .65, so of course .67d will for a for a fact have more hosted games.

I have a very hard time finding .65 anymore so 90% of the time we don't use a bot, so i or someone i know will just host it.

Re: New modes reduce BT-Players by half - eSVau - 2010-01-17

Tom-Ace Wrote:Very interesting numbers, but is there anyway to show how many bot use one version over the other? Because you can have 10 bots hosting .67d and only 1 hosting .65, so of course .67d will for a for a fact have more hosted games.

I have a very hard time finding .65 anymore so 90% of the time we don't use a bot, so i or someone i know will just host it.

You may interpret this as more people are willing to play a non-hb version over a hb version (current map changes are minor ones with low impact on gameplay besides the hb thing and upcoming new league). If you have trouble finding a hb game, maybe it is because hb is not so popular as some people thought.

Also the fact (which i believe is true, but i can't tell for sure) that more bot owner let their bots host a non-hb versions indicates that hb is not that popular. Otherwise, if there would be less bots hosting non-hb versions it would be a much stronger argument against hb.

A whole new truth has been offered :roll:

Re: New modes reduce BT-Players by half - scron2 - 2010-01-17

HB games filled up much faster.

http://www.mapgnome.org/map-graph/420556/east30d is what I found about the HB map becoming extremely less popular once the new version was released.

The newest version to compare against:
http://www.mapgnome.org/map-graph/438310/east30d

I don't know how mapgnome gathers its data but all I know is that back in the day of HB, anna filled up 10x faster than any normal mode game. To verify who hosts what and at what times would be important to know. We don't so therefore it isn't necessarily saying anything. There are games seen by some and not by others. That's just a fact of bnet so you can't assume that website sees all hostings.

Re: New modes reduce BT-Players by half - khEg - 2010-01-17

scron2 Wrote:HB games filled up much faster.

http://www.mapgnome.org/map-graph/420556/east30d is what I found about the HB map becoming extremely less popular once the new version was released.

The newest version to compare against:
http://www.mapgnome.org/map-graph/438310/east30d

I don't know how mapgnome gathers its data but all I know is that back in the day of HB, anna filled up 10x faster than any normal mode game. To verify who hosts what and at what times would be important to know. We don't so therefore it isn't necessarily saying anything. There are games seen by some and not by others. That's just a fact of bnet so you can't assume that website sees all hostings.

What are you trying to tell us?
You say HB is more popular compared to the newest map played in normal mode but you show us 2 statistics where you can see that right after the release of 8.67 the hosted games of 8.65 HB went down to almost 0 and the hosted games of 8.67 went straight up to almost double number of 8.65 in its best? A little opposed dont you think?


best regards
khEg

Re: New modes reduce BT-Players by half - newbcake3 - 2010-01-19

scron2 isnt good at conjuring up coherent arguments