Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"?

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Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - Vomitus - 2009-10-20

I mean these new changes to the map:

Changed the symbol next to the stats of a tank to a golden coin (bounty)
Changed the optical appearance of the experience (EXP) bar

Compare here:

v8.64 and before:
v8.65:
version - my SUGGESTION:

Nothing interesting here, i promise

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - Paladon - 2009-10-20

What exactly is the purpose of the provided pictures? O.o
I, for example, can't see a difference between the second and third one.
The first is what..?
And what's your suggestion?

However, i think a golden coin matches more than a fist.

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - Vomitus - 2009-10-20

Pardon, I had some difficulties with images. The forum engine has some limitations on including attached images. So I hacked it a bit ;-)

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - eSVau - 2009-10-20

I like the golden coin but dislike the new xp bar Confused

hock:

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - RupinderSinghPellia - 2009-10-21

I like nothing of both changes. The new exp bar has a annoying colour and the coin... . Well, isn´t there any better icon? Confused

hock:

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - jman - 2009-10-21

eSVau Wrote:I like the golden coin but dislike the new xp barhock:

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - Vomitus - 2009-10-21

As for me i don't like both of them. That is the reason why I spend more than half an hour to post this topic.
XP bar is ugly and I see you agree. As for gold icon - it is too big, at first, and second - I don't understand why is it there at all?
Look at the picture with my suggestion. I took it from vehicle factory but it was intended to use on heroes. Yeah, I should spend some more time and make more accurate picture but it is as it is now. The point is that heroes info screen must have three icons instead of one, each of which should represent corresponding property: golden coin - for bounty, sand-clock - for respawn time and lightning(or something else) - for speed.
What do you think of it?

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - horselance - 2009-10-21

Quote:lightning(or something else) - for speed.

Boots of speed Big Grin

But i think it is 1 piece of icon with fixed size. So your suggestion cannot be done imo. Mappers would know better.

Probably the reason for icon change is, it is not a Strength Hero, so it dont need a Strength attribute icon. But dunno why it is a gold coin.
Xp bar change, i have no idea. Older one was fine, this looks a little worse.

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - Paladon - 2009-10-21

Quite simple reasoning.
A fist does not fit at all, i hope everyone agrees here.
I can't choose three icons, i can only choose one icon.
The coin applies at least for one of the three criteria and was included in the wc3.mpq which means it's no further import and filesize boost. There are not much icons useable for that position since they should lack a border, have transparency around the object etc.

Edit:
These are the available icons, for the greatest part:
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Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - psycho_dmr - 2009-10-21

why not the crossed axes/hammer ? as for "battlestats"

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - VuDu - 2009-10-21

Quote:I dislike the new xp bar

me too but I dont mind the coin

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - ChronicStoned - 2009-10-21

psycho_dmr Wrote:why not the crossed axes/hammer ? as for "battlestats"

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - Vomitus - 2009-10-21

Paladon Wrote:A fist does not fit at all, i hope everyone agrees here.

Of course.

Paladon Wrote:I can't choose three icons, i can only choose one icon.

Well that's pretty sad:(
But the reason why I disliked it is its low resolution compared to its size on screen (it is clear that that gold coin icon was upscaled from tiny icon - see 3rd pic in my first post). In general, if it is not possible to put there 3 icons, I am not against gold coin or two axes. In general I don't care at all because this solution is compromise. So my bid is only to resolution of the icon.

P.S. I still don't understand why is it so crucial to maintain low file size? Nowadays even in most far and lost regions of the world there is broadband unlimited Internet, but we still care about few megabytes. Some extra waiting time you say? Well, when I play tanks, we usually wait about 10-20 minutes before each start (gather people, rearrange teams, download, etc.). Average download time through WC3 engine now is 10 seconds. So why bother if that time will raise to 20 or 30 seconds?

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - Paladon - 2009-10-21

Another reason is that mac users sometimes have problems with imported .blp textures (pc crash if visible), so i avoid importing these textures.
8.66 will have a big size boost nonetheless.

I also don't have such a high resolution and the coin looks just like every icon for me.
That's why it did not disturb me somehow.

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - WaRRioR_BrosS - 2009-10-21

Hi paladon and all,

+1 for xp bar

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - griffin1987 - 2009-10-24

Uhm, sorry if i don't get this, but could you please stop doing this stuff to the btanks map?

In the first place, shouldn't you worry more about balancing, new features, new tanks, weapons, terraining, ... before doing something as meaningless as exchanging icons?

Also, it took me quite a while to get accostumed to the new icons - doesn't matter in normal combat, 'cause I'm using hotkeys anyway, but for level upgrades it pretty much sucked and confused. And changing things probably is why I now got unicolor icons on the map for buildings and force Icons. Great.

Btw.: Did you recognize that less and less people are playing battletanks these days? When I try to get into a pub game during the week, it's pretty much useless. Before it was no problem at all if you waited some minutes, but now you can forget about it.

Well, there's just so many things I'm dissatisfied with since the last version, I'm not gonna list them all now, but I relly like to (re-)state that I would find it better, if you worked on game mechanics, instead of optics, which no real gamer should really bother about (Now "Survival" ? It always has had near to zero optics (including terrain), but always was received quite well because of the relly great game mechanics in some of its parts)

Just my 50 cents.

Cheers

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - Paladon - 2009-10-24

These changes (and heck, even triple rocket and such) are mainly done to make the map playable on mac computers, not for my personal satisfaction.
Besides, changing the graphics as i've done in the last versions saves an immense part of the filesize which may be used in the future for better things.

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - griffin1987 - 2009-10-24

Well that sounds cool, but the map always worked on my macbook?
Also, I doubt that map size is an issue with the btanks map, as it's a pretty small map, and you only download the map once. Or do you want to say that you ain't got another 500kb on your 1tb harddisk? Wink

))

On the other hand I only got mono-coloured force-units on the map since 8.65 on my windows pc as well as on my macbook. Did you change that as well?

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - Paladon - 2009-10-24

No, didnt change a thing about that.

We're trying to keep the overall size below 1mb to make the sharing easier (not only bnet, for example this site as well).

Re: Do you like the new "golden coin" and "optical appearance"? - Exodus - 2009-10-24

griffin1987 Wrote:On the other hand I only got mono-coloured force-units on the map since 8.65 on my windows pc as well as on my macbook. Did you change that as well?

In case you mean the dark blue / black color, this happens when there are observers in the game.