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+--- Thread: demolisher to bad in 8.45 ??? (/showthread.php?tid=2088)
demolisher to bad in 8.45 ??? - fithos - 2008-06-01
with the increased of mine couldown and the 70% instead of 100% damages of weapons creeps,taking demolisher is became to bad.
Take demolisher + Dark Bow at start was good strategy, but now it too slow for evolution.
so i think, the delay for mines and damage of creeps weapons have to be like versions before 8.45
fithos
Re: demolisher to bad in 8.45 ??? - TKF - 2008-06-01
That might be true, since both mines AND creep only weapons was nerfed in the same version.
But I cannot confirm it cuz I haven't played with demolisher in 8.45 yet.
Re: demolisher to bad in 8.45 ??? - Tribulation - 2008-06-02
I've played it once or twice, of course you notice that you don't creep as easy anymore, and that it takes longer to pile up enough mines to kill someone instantly, but it wouldn't already say that it has become too weak. But some more games would be necessary to evaluate that.
Re: demolisher to bad in 8.45 ??? - fithos - 2008-06-07
i would know if any changes will be maid ??
Re: demolisher to bad in 8.45 ??? - Tribulation - 2008-06-08
Why should there be any changes, there's no one else claiming that Demo is too weak now. I think it's about fine now.
Re: demolisher to bad in 8.45 ??? - RedNova - 2008-06-08
If you can use mines effectively, the demolisher remains very dangerous. The nerf of creep weapons affects everyone, and you always have the option of using a basic magic at start with a demolisher. Personnally, I like the extra HP more than anything else on this chassis, and it has remained the same.
Re: demolisher to bad in 8.45 ??? - Tribulation - 2008-06-08
Well, as mines are the bread-and-butter of the Demo (together with the other skills, but they are clearly his trademark), they have to be an effective way of killing others, since you will always have far less dps at the beginning, even with Basic Magic. Nerfing them any more will render the Demo useless: first, your mines do not deal enough damage, and once you've leveled enough, your opponents have bigger tanks or hulls. And there's also the Scout's tower. Therefore, the only thing left that can still be nerfed are the Demo's HP; you're right, they are a good reason to choose him, because they make up for the lack in dps - you don't have any problems even with a creeps-only weapon.
Re: demolisher to bad in 8.45 ??? - fithos - 2008-06-09
yes but before you had non problem with only creeps weapons. now, the damages of only creeps weapons at start (multibow) are decrease to 70%. and it's became to bad, useless.
Re: demolisher to bad in 8.45 ??? - Tribulation - 2008-06-10
It is not useless, it just almost has to be upgraded now to be somewhat effective. The alternative would have been to make the basic version more expensive, but then you would not have been able to afford it right away in combination with Demolisher, so the approach taken was the best solution. Due to its high hp, powerful mines and awesome farming performance with the Multi Bow, the Demolisher was too strong before the Bow was nerfed.
To sum up: the bread-and-butter skill, the mines, are still strong (although the cd and mana cost is higher), and the hp remain high, so the only real nerf the Demo has experienced is its ability to farm.
P.S. The Bow's at 75% now ;-)