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More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - jonjon - 2010-02-08 I'll start with what's most important. Lag issues. I play locally with 100% aussies so lag SHOULD be minimal. But in our case, Infernal Robot's abilities lag everyone. Most of the time it is when host is using it and it is worst when Infernal implements the ultimate ability. There are also a few cases with other tanks but haven't confirmed them yet. This often occurs after 45 minutes of game play and only in similar situations. I'll report back here when I find them. ------ This game needs more aerial tanks. 5 air versus 19 ground? Because of this I am almost glad that Sky Fortress is as powerful as it is. Also, something needs to be done with Air Ship. It needs to be empowered. I hate the fact that I can beat an Air Ship with a Helicopter + Gold Hull with the same amount of weapons. This is because Air Ship lacks any useful abilities. Those bee swarms aren't useful against tanks unless you melee which defeats the purpose of an aerial tank. Only semi useful against creeps and towers. Not even close to as useful as Thunder's abilities. The zapper is weak as piss... often used in kill-steal situations or creep steal. The rain has no guarantee of damaging the opponent. I've tried all sorts of weird strats with Air Ship such as advanced troop command, bombs, short ranged weapons, long ranged weapons, mines, tank only (and normal weapons that complement Air ship)... none which seem to be useful against regular old ass power builds. I find that air tank is useful ONLY when you are ahead of the weapons race. If only there was an extra item like the web launcher that works on ground units or change that bee shit ability to some ground mine that does 2% damage and stuns for 2 seconds.. that would be awesome. Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - T4M.Avatar - 2010-02-08 Hm, i never had lag problems with any skills. Do you got an old or slow PC? I'm fine with the Air Ship, but i agree with you that the Forked Lightning just suck hard. That could need some improvement or could be removed for an other spell. I'm not a friend of any Air Tanks, but i have to agree with you. 1-2 more Air Tanks should be fine. That would make the Anti Air Tanks weapons more useful than now. Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - muhaha96 - 2010-02-08 airship is frequently played so it can“t be that weak Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - Saiyuki - 2010-02-08 there are hardly any laggs noticable with my system, which is about 4 years old now. ^^ either it's about a pretty old system, some OS problems or simply a problem caused the the connection. as for new air tanks, after the new tank, that is planed just now, we may think of another one, as long, as we get a good model. Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - khEg - 2010-02-08 I have a clan mate who has an old computer with some kind of graphics problems and (i doubt it isnt this way) a damaged OS ^^ This one complains about laggs when tanks such as hunter or infernal uses an ability (like the hunters cloud or infernal rain)for the first time. I personally never had such probs so i guess it has to do something with your computer stuff and not with the map itself regarding the airship: the e shocker ability is fine as it hits up to 5 targets with the same damage as a triple rocket, its disadvantage is that it doesnt stun and this is one of the reasons why some ppl play helicopter with gold hull instead (at least this is what i think) in fact helicopter is the only tank which has 2 stun skills which makes it pretty strong The so called "bee swarms" arent weak at all. just do me a favor, play a 1v1 with a friend, buy an air ship and your friend can buy one too, skill the drones as high as you can and nothing else, no tanks cannon no weapons, meet somewhere without creeps and just let out the drones .. you will just kill your opponent and not to mention air ship is often played as it has high speed and mobility advantages If you ask me one could improve the e shocker by making it to hit up to 8 targets instead of 5 ... the rest is good enough. regarding the "more air tanks" just contribute by posting concrete ideas into the forum ![]() If we have some specific ideas we might get a model easier ![]() Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - Battlemaniac - 2010-02-08 i do agree the spell abilities can be improved a notch personally i find all the skill rather weak. they work, i use it quite often, but it is very true, a copter has much more useful skill than it with a hull it can easily rape the air tank, rocket stun, bomb, or clear the ground with napalm and when all creeps are out of the way all your weapons hits the air tank. i find myself using air tank less and less, and stick with the copter + gold hull until late in game, which i either switch to Sky tank fortress or something along the line. air tank is only good for creeping early in game to get some semi decent weapons quickly, but at the same time a decently armed copter can get as much creep money if not more early in game so regardless of how you look at it, air tank is underpowered for its price range & level at that price i'll much rather get a thunder tank instead, which IMO i think the thunder tank is too cheap for its abilities, it should be priced as a tier 3 tank instead of a tier 2 Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - khEg - 2010-02-08 i understand your arguments but from balance viewpoint you have to see the following: in almost every game at least 40% of players play an air tank .... if air is too weak why ppl play it that much? the problem here is that the skills are weak compared to ground tanks and hp is decreased but you have a priceless movement advantage not only that you dont get blocked anymore and dont have map obstacles but you are also faster as almost every other ground tank Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - Battlemaniac - 2010-02-08 khEg Wrote:in almost every game at least 40% of players play an air tank .... if air is too weak why ppl play it that much? many, including myself if we choose air tank, is because of its slightly faster speed (when speed skill maxed), and extra HP early in game, but it sucks if you don't have weapons to go along with it. skill wise, just compare it among its 2 relative, Copter & sky tank, both has waaaaaaaaaay better skills that actually are useful compared to the air tank Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - Althend - 2010-02-08 Airship is not to weak. The shock skill is good since his cooldown. I you have to use to clean sweep creeps. The plasma is really nice, especially against ghost. Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - GooglyBoogly - 2010-02-08 In wc3 the graphics settings can be modified, if you are constantly getting lag from abilities when playing, then the source is likely to be yourself - and thus you should seriously consider reducing your settings Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - jonjon - 2010-02-09 Thanks for the replies guys. Nah I don't have a slow PC. On the contrary, my PC is quite fast being a quad core. Could be the aussie connection. As a matter of fact, Aussies suck compared to the rest of the world when it comes to Internet Service Providers. How would I go about creating a model? Just draw one up in MS Paint and cite tank abilities/costs? Or do you require a proper one with existing models and a particular file format? I am on an Air Ship diet for this month and I am trying to use it as best as I can. It does well with 999/1050 ranged weapons but really just sucks when a goblin tank buys web and you can't do anything about it. Helicopter gets away with it so easy. I know the bees aren't weak kHeg... I said they were quite useless because you have to melee with them. It's more of a protective thing to scare opponents away than attacking. I often use them when I am capturing bases but it doesn't work as well. I think that ability needs to be reworked. First of all, it shouldn't have to disappear after being killed. I reckon it should remain on the field until the timer runs out and then die. Second, it should remain within the range it was casted instead of following the Air ship around. Once it is finished, it will go back to the Air ship. Also, nobody goes Air Tank anymore on our server because nobody is actually good at it. It always gets raped. You can give it a try here and you're guaranteed to lose. It's fair enough that you have movement advantage but it means nothing when there are teleporters, netters and stunners around. Actually if the shocker had around a 0.5~1 sec stun, that would make a huge difference! Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - Althend - 2010-02-09 jonjon Wrote:Thanks for the replies guys. I d like to give a try ![]() Plz explain me how to join you ^^ Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - newbcake3 - 2010-02-09 id like to be on the team opposite of Althend Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - khEg - 2010-02-09 I have a friend that plays airship with poison magic and he rules with it ^^ *edit: i just talked to him. he said melee air ship is very good: you cant get outdistanced, you can just port to enemy and he wont get rid of you, also if it turns out bad you can get away fast and cant be creep blocked, if you have troops yourself you can block enemy with them, ...blablabla xD well he really rocks with melee AS ^^ Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - Battlemaniac - 2010-02-09 but that proves the point again, it needs decent weapon to make it worthwhile the other tanks you don't need weapon, and you can still kill with pure skills, most people save up for good weapon and start off with no weapons but using air tank, you can't really do that, using any of the skills will not get you any kill, nor help you creep until you get a good weapon. and when you do save up for a good weapon, other people are already way ahead of the game with more powerful weapons and more HP than you. air ship 4500 + teleport 3000 + decent weapon average 5000 ~ 6000 = you are at least level 10 by now, anyone at lvl 10 would already have much better stuff than you have specially the long range noobs, at this time they will have at least 4 to 5 range 1300 weapons stacked with a steel hull if not gold if they are richer. ... not really feasible. at that price tag i still prefer the lighting tank combo better, cheaper, more kills, better creeping, and it does a much better job at stun + teleport + melee specially with poison or anything short range of your linking LT 4000 + 3000 TP + 5000~6000 weapon Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - khEg - 2010-02-09 i'd prefer air ship ^^' Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - Saiyuki - 2010-02-10 well, count in the healing drones of the air ship. it deals damage ( 125 dmg per drone released ) and returns 80% hp of the damage done per drone when returning to the airship. dunno, but i think the max hp to be recovered by a drone is 120 hp, about 360 hp per skill level then. as such the air ship has a nice skill to deal damage and recover when the skill ends. this is one of the reasons i like playing the airship. ^^ Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - Althend - 2010-02-10 Battlemaniac Wrote:but that proves the point again, it needs decent weapon to make it worthwhile Your forget that mobility of airship make you able to dodge skill, dodge weapon, easy cover allied tank, easy cp , ability to switch lane easily without using telep. Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - jonjon - 2010-02-10 Althend Wrote:jonjon Wrote:Thanks for the replies guys. Go to boredaussie.com It's an aussie based pvpgn server. So depending on where you come from, you may be disadvantaged from your location. But if you do decide to, come to Clan BTC channel. Re: More air tanks needed... also lag issues [CLICK HERE] - jonjon - 2010-02-10 Althend Wrote:Battlemaniac Wrote:but that proves the point again, it needs decent weapon to make it worthwhile I would be saying the same thing too but I know it doesn't work unless you're ahead of the weapons race. Not in a pro 5v5. It could be different for the official servers because of varied latency, forcing many to play longer range and with speed (equals Air Ship). Playing on BA means < 100 ping time (where melee is better). Also what you're saying brings us back to a full circle. A Helicopter and a gold hull can do the same thing. And I say Gold Hull instead of Steel Hull (Upgrade) because 4500 & 5000 is closer as opposed to 3750 & 4500. Like I said earlier... Heli + Gold Hull beats Air Ship all the time. |