Why do you play High Bounty?

[psycho_dmr]

i dont think that we will completly remove hb from btanks without an altenative. that was only my personal opinion

[Tom-Ace]

You all know that your talking about removing a free choice don't you? Nobody is forcing anyone into playing hb and if they wanna play it over normal i guess that their choice, i don't know what its like where you all live but around where i live people make there own choices.

Last night i played two normal games and one hb and the normal games lasted one+ hours but the hb only 30 min.

[psycho_dmr]

you live in USA right? so you say you can do what you want? lol

nvm, hb & bt: the problem is, that there are more hb games outside then normal and then ppl are crying about imbaness of some strategies. also clans cant find new members because if someone is good in hb you cant say that hes good in normal mode too...

[Tom-Ace]

you live in USA right? so you say you can do what you want? lol

nvm, hb & bt: the problem is, that there are more hb games outside then normal and then ppl are crying about imbaness of some strategies. also clans cant find new members because if someone is good in hb you cant say that hes good in normal mode too...

Fist off i never was talking about what country i was in i live is a very "back woods town" only 300 people live here and if i wanna take my 12ga shotgun and shoot off 20 rounds in trees or the air guess what I CAN.

And in the whole recruting thing, that has to be the stupidest thing i have ever heard, just host a nomal game and thats it why do you join hb games to recrute??

[RupinderSinghPellia]

So, played 10 HB Games and compared them with my normal games ( Pub Games | And yeah I played HB for this topic :cry: ). Actually HB games aren´t really faster than normal games. It tooks me in average 40 mins and for the normal pub games I need in average 30 mins.
It´s like every noob can be imba, but to dumb to end the game.... . So I think HB games aren´t really fast. It´s more the massive gold you get, what makes interest to play (my opinion). I also asked them, why they play HB and the answer: "It´s the pro mode";"Normal games are only for noobs and in hb u need more skill".

That´s all i can say atm to hb...

[psycho_dmr]

thx for that so as we can see... ppl think that hb is "pro mode"... thats really a problem imho.

[Paladon]

And that's why i'm remaking the game modes now.

[TKF]

I'm not against complete removal of hb mode which was my idea from the very beginning, even if we could lose 75% of the players I don't care. IT'S WORTH IT!

[IlPalazzo]

so if we not remove HB mode and HB is to make games faster, then imho we have to add -cv mode to it, then games are definitely faster, because i think 15 min after all cps are captured the game is over. (and you cant camp in your own base then), THEN you have fast games for sure and the imbalances of HB arent such a big problem (ok then you still can buy troopcommand and get imba through creepfarming on sidelane, but hey, its only a funmode Oo)

You could, but part of the appeal to HB isn't just the fact the game is quicker, but also the fact that the progress of the game is also faster (you generally end the game with end-game equipment/tanks instead of ending with tier 2/3 tanks)...

So why not fix these imbalances?

Because it is hb.
Balancing is not done for hb

thats not all, balancing is not just "not done for HB", it is impossible for HB. see, exo and bob have developed BT over more then 4 years(!), changing some minor things on creeps, tanks, weapons, gold and so on, then somebody has the so damn stupid idea to add a funmode with double income. so all balancing development over the last years dont work in this mode.

if we want to balance hb we have one simple possibility: double EVERY gold and manaamount in the WHOLE game, THEN, and only then, we have a balanced "high bounty" mode (same for weak creeps, there we have to cut down EVERY amount by X). BT is balanced in really small steps in the last years, if we want to balance hb we will have the above szenario, a normal mode where every amount is doubled.

atm like bennie said, the whole team just waits into the own base until the other team is right before it, then "farm" maybe 30mins and then rush over the enemies base... that really sucks.

Is it Impossible to balance the HB mode? No, not if the appropriate time was spent to balance its dynamics (as you said it took four years to slowly tweak Normal). Seeing as we know the most blatant problems with HB, it is possible to start fixing a few of the bigger problems, such as the turtle problem, by tweaking with the bounty system (specifically for HB) and the way troops spawn/upgrade... But the way I see things, your viewpoint agrees with TKF:

I'm not against complete removal of hb mode which was my idea from the very beginning, even if we could lose 75% of the players I don't care. IT'S WORTH IT!

Considering the current majority of the board has the mindset of fixing HB is "not worth it because I don't want to see time spent having the game going in that direction - even if the majority want it to go that way," there's really nothing left to be said. Part of me agrees, but it does mean a part of the community will drift away. Whether that means anything or if it's worth the time trying to balance IMBA-mode to keep them is Paladon's call.

[GooglyBoogly]

You do realise that IMBA is short for imbalance, right?

[IlPalazzo]

You do realise that IMBA is short for imbalance, right?

Yes, and I do realize HB in its current form is imbalanced.

[psycho_dmr]

the complete devteam agrees with me there: we do not spend more time then needed in hb. so no balancing. reasons above (it would be normal with everything *2)
i think we're adding a new mode which contains hb and makes clear that it is an alternative (imba) mode which is only for fun games (even if i dont like the word "fun" in relation with hb)... lets wait for the next beta

[BENNIE.FM]

I have the best resolution xD agree with me delete hb from btanks for good.

1st:anyone who plays old map good for them
how ever then we can play 8.66 with no hb less hb ~~noobs

2nd when new tanks come out and new items new adjustments to the game people will stop playing 8.65 with the current hb system and will have to turn to normal no hb !!!!!yes

COM ON DO THIS !!!!!

[SCorpA1]

@BENNIE:

Removing High Bounty is bad idea because players will simply use the older map to preserve the feature they love so much.

just add some tanks after removing hb. or something else
one day they will see all the new stuff and they dont like to play hb anymore

selfquote ftw!?!

[BENNIE.FM]

never read anything above just wanted to get my point out

[psycho_dmr]

the complete devteam agrees with me there: we do not spend more time then needed in hb. so no balancing. reasons above (it would be normal with everything *2)
i think we're adding a new mode which contains hb and makes clear that it is an alternative (imba) mode which is only for fun games (even if i dont like the word "fun" in relation with hb)... lets wait for the next beta

selfquote ftw

[IlPalazzo]

the complete devteam agrees with me there: we do not spend more time then needed in hb. so no balancing.

Fair enough.

I have the best resolution xD agree with me delete hb from btanks for good.

1st:anyone who plays old map good for them
how ever then we can play 8.66 with no hb less hb ~~noobs

2nd when new tanks come out and new items new adjustments to the game people will stop playing 8.65 with the current hb system and will have to turn to normal no hb !!!!!yes

COM ON DO THIS !!!!!

F THAT! We need HB for 30,000 TInker HB +Fog +Conquest +Share +Weapons Only +No Upgrade +No Exploder Combo - cause everyone knows that's the true pro-mode.

Seriously though, I don't see the reason to get all trollish about... most half-decent players know HB is a fun mode that usually doesn't take as long to get through a full game... Maybe things have changed a bit (especially with the HQ being pushed up further), but from what I remember a lot of the old normal private games I used to play went over 1:30 in game time. When we initially started HB just to get rid of the monotony of things, games seldom went over an hour. So meh, so long it exists people will still play it from time to time for it's faster pace. Why cut that option?

[psycho_dmr]

because you're wrong. ppl dont play it "from time to time" to get a faster game, most ppl play it only and they really think, that its the "normal" or "pro" mode..

and btw IlPalazzo: if you think that normal games are too long, then go into this f* forum and post it! we're trying to get normal games shorter since about a year or so - we need feedback from the community depending gamelength and why they think games are so long.. imho your right in this point, a normal game shouldnt be longer then 45min. and if it is longer, its getting imba in most poblic games, because the attackers just die too often and feeding the defenders. (thats why i want to have a "earned bounty" statistic into the map for every player. kills doesnt say anything here)

[Lezowski]

If we remove hb, people might still play 5k. It does give an unfair advantage to the players over creeps, which are balanced for 3k starts. Is the starting gold also contributing to the imbalance? I don't think so but it could be a possibility.

[IlPalazzo]

because you're wrong. ppl dont play it "from time to time" to get a faster game, most ppl play it only and they really think, that its the "normal" or "pro" mode..

True enough, but that's how it started. We would get out of a 1:30 game or three and say "Ugh... Let's just play something quick." And there HB was... I guess the way we used it to get fast pub-games in made it more mainstream on USEast.