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2010-01-22, 09:26:25

Im almost certain this wont get approved, its too interesting...

I find something extremely amusing regarding the HB situation and former President Bush

When Bush was President and the problems with Iraq started i was watching very intently from the beginning. One of the first things i noticed was that Bush was not trying to decide whether or not to invade Iraq, he was trying to sell the idea of invading Iraq to the american people. I said to my friends hes going to invade, hes got his mind made up, most likely the reasons he is stating publicly are bullshit and im not sure of what his real reasons for wanting to invade are, but i do know for a fact 100% that he is going to invade. I knew he was lying about his intentions just like i know youre lying. This was months before the actual invasion began. And sure enough, he invaded, and all the reasons he stated publicly were complete bullshit.

Why do i bother to bring this up?

The removal of HB gives me the exact feeling as when Bush was "deciding" to invade iraq. There was no debate, there was no discussion, all the map editors are trying to do is sell the idea to all the players that removing HB was a good thing just like Bush was selling the idea of invasion to the american people.

What amuses me?
Most of Europe hated and still hates Bush. Youre behaving exactly as he did and im almost sure that being Germans you all hate Bush. The other part that amuses me? I can come on here and state that Most of Europe hates Bush, and not a single person will challenge my "opinion". I wont have to prove to anyone that European people hate Bush. Whereas if i try to state that 5K HB was the most popular hosted mode in Btanks i will get alot of challenges stating it is an unproofed fact.

**Saiyuki** · 2010-01-22, 11:52:26

you just don't listen or only hear things the way you want... do you?
one question: when did you start playing battle tanks? before hb ( bt exists for +4 years ) or when it was already implemented as a fun mode only?

horselance · 2010-01-22, 15:15:14

Why can guests posts to forum? I dont read them at all. I look at topic and few lines and close it..
I dont care the ideas of someone who dont even have an identity.
We dont know who is making the comments, either 1 guy or other or same or 100 different person, joking or serious, lying or not, spamming or not... So they are meaningless..

It is not much time to make an account if you are making a comment, suggestion or smth..
It is a pain if you are just posting 1 spam ..

khEg · 2010-01-22, 16:07:59

Dear guest,

I want to say something too as i kept myself in background till now and just to inform you - I am also german.

I cant believe that youre naughty enough to post that stuff you do.
To pick up your politics argument:
Imagine a democracy where ppl can vote for a person they want to have in charge. Some ppl vote and some dont.
Now lets look at btanks:
We told ppl that we want to remove HB and there were lots of discussion topics and votes also. the outcome of the votes was that most ppl dont like hb and they have no problem with it to be removed.
But look what happens now: a lot of ppl who havent voted join the community or even pretend to do so by only typing as a guest like you and those ppl are complaining about what was decided by vote.
So.. I really cant get it why ppl (like you) can be that naughty joining after everything was already decided and complain although they havent contributed to any voting or discussion there was.

Please tell me what entitles you to behave like you do?

You cant expect that ppl listen to you if you just come here and complain with no real contribution.

best regards
khEg

2010-01-22, 19:14:34

khEg Wrote:Dear guest,

I want to say something too as i kept myself in background till now and just to inform you - I am also german.

I cant believe that youre naughty enough to post that stuff you do.
To pick up your politics argument:
Imagine a democracy where ppl can vote for a person they want to have in charge. Some ppl vote and some dont.
Now lets look at btanks:
We told ppl that we want to remove HB and there were lots of discussion topics and votes also. the outcome of the votes was that most ppl dont like hb and they have no problem with it to be removed.
But look what happens now: a lot of ppl who havent voted join the community or even pretend to do so by only typing as a guest like you and those ppl are complaining about what was decided by vote.
So.. I really cant get it why ppl (like you) can be that naughty joining after everything was already decided and complain although they havent contributed to any voting or discussion there was.

Please tell me what entitles you to behave like you do?

You cant expect that ppl listen to you if you just come here and complain with no real contribution.

best regards
khEg

you call removing HB a contribution?

who does it contribute to?

Considering that everyone knows this forum is biased towards normal mode, what would a vote achieve? You like to brag about how many times your bots host and i have yet to see one vote of yours pass 30 people. Are you trying to tell me 30 people represents the majority of btanks players?

If you wanted a real legitimate vote, you might have added a vote in all your bots prior to removing HB, somewhat similar to what the annabot did.

Ilpalazzo, i want you to know that they banned the ip at my public library until february 19th, you gave me your word that this wouldnt happen, im posting from one of my schools computers now. This is the second that ive had to remind you about your word. If i broke a rule im UNAWARE of it.
You ask me to make real contributions? I have been banned for speaking an opinion regarding HB, and i was promised this wouldnt happen, what purpose would speaking on a real account be, so that you could ban me there also after promising not to?

So.. I really cant get it why ppl (like you) can be that naughty joining after everything was already decided and complain although they havent contributed to any voting or discussion there was.

maybe you should ban everyone who disagrees with you, that will surely add participation to your forums, thank you for informing me that you have the right to tell me what i can talk about on this forum and what i can agree with.

2010-01-22, 19:44:30

horselance Wrote:Why can guests posts to forum? I dont read them at all. I look at topic and few lines and close it..
I dont care the ideas of someone who dont even have an identity.
We dont know who is making the comments, either 1 guy or other or same or 100 different person, joking or serious, lying or not, spamming or not... So they are meaningless..

It is not much time to make an account if you are making a comment, suggestion or smth..
It is a pain if you are just posting 1 spam ..

this is just more underhanded speaking designed to discourage open debate or troll me into posting on my account so that you can ban that too...who will punish you for trolling? no one likely since you seem to be on the good side of admins and editors...
its very disturbing that one admin gives me his word that i wont be banned and i have a right to privacy and to speak my mind and another admin takes it upon himself to ban the libraries ip where i was posting...

where are the consequences for that kind of trolling?

2010-01-22, 23:13:16

khEg Wrote:Dear guest,

I want to say something too as i kept myself in background till now and just to inform you - I am also german.

I cant believe that youre naughty enough to post that stuff you do.
To pick up your politics argument:
Imagine a democracy where ppl can vote for a person they want to have in charge. Some ppl vote and some dont.
Now lets look at btanks:
We told ppl that we want to remove HB and there were lots of discussion topics and votes also. the outcome of the votes was that most ppl dont like hb and they have no problem with it to be removed.
But look what happens now: a lot of ppl who havent voted join the community or even pretend to do so by only typing as a guest like you and those ppl are complaining about what was decided by vote.
So.. I really cant get it why ppl (like you) can be that naughty joining after everything was already decided and complain although they havent contributed to any voting or discussion there was.

Please tell me what entitles you to behave like you do?

You cant expect that ppl listen to you if you just come here and complain with no real contribution.

best regards
khEg

Please tell me how you think im behaving, i cant answer your question until you tell me.

Again you dont listen to a word i write. And thats fine, thats your choice. Ill keep typing the truth. The mad editors wanted to remove HB and they did so, the votes, the excuses were all a decoy to distract away from the reality. They would have removed HB regardless of anything proved or done.

"Re: should the mappers bring back 5k hb with hcl command?

Postby Saiyuki on Tue 19 Jan 10, 20:53
well... because most hb player won't even check this forum, the vote is of no real meaning."

One of your allies talking about the meaning of the HB votes on this site.

And complaining is a form of contribution you just fail to see it. The only "real" contributions that you will accept are the ones that fit into your eliminate HB and play normal mode theories. And i still fail to see how removing HB contributes to any real progress.

khEg · 2010-01-23, 01:50:16

guest Wrote:If you wanted a real legitimate vote, you might have added a vote in all your bots prior to removing HB, somewhat similar to what the annabot did.

If ppl are not interested in being part of this community then also BTanks cant be that important for them and therefor the removal could be ignored.
On the other hand let me say one thing. If you really want HB then why are you wasting your time talking with us about something that is visible to any well minded person which is HB wont "come back".
Just gather some HB players and arrange your own hostbot, let him host v8.65 and play 5khb as long as you want. Noone will stop you from doing that.

P.S. you can use v8.66 as well but note that there is no HCL string for 5khb in that version

P.P.S: Maybe it is worth to mentioned that NOONE has "taken away" HB, its merely a way of "its no longer supported".

best regards
khEg

P.P.P.S: I know ppl hate me for typing this best regards stuff but maybe you can forgive me this one more time as i think its really needed Wink

IlPalazzo · 2010-01-23, 02:03:54

khEg Wrote:If ppl are not interested in being part of this community then also BTanks cant be that important for them and therefor the removal could be ignored.

This is a terrible assumption... 90% of the people that play normal don't even come here - because there was no reason to prior to (and after) the league because the clans, games, and chat-rooms were sufficient to facilitate a good BT community. And to say they don't care is an even worse assumption. With people from normal calling them out-right noobs and people from the DevTeam to leave and go play Battleships - why should they be interested in coming here? Despite this, some STILL come here - bitter, yes, but they still come here because they DO care about the game. Look at some of the early topics - there are probably at least 20 pages concerning HB, some spam and flame yes - but some trying to make real contribution to the game. HBers do care... So much so that I doubt Mr. Guest and some of the people here will quit with HB gone. Mr. Guest is quite pissed, yes - but he won't be leave or become "uninterested" in the game. No person who doesn't care posts page upon page of complaint FROM DIFFERENT COMPUTERS in hope for something.

That said:

guest Wrote:Again you dont listen to a word i write. And thats fine, thats your choice. Ill keep typing the truth. The mad editors wanted to remove HB and they did so, the votes, the excuses were all a decoy to distract away from the reality. They would have removed HB regardless of anything proved or done.

You are free to type these "truths," as the DevTeam and Mappers really don't have anything to hide. In fact, it would actually be better if they communicated their ideas more fully so people could see their true intentions - as they are not bad, even though some of the actions were not carried out in the best way or moments in time... That said, when you want to stop throwing blame and flame - we'll be willing to discuss.

Best of wishes,
IlPalazzo

**Saiyuki** · 2010-01-23, 02:11:59

i didn't talk about the meaning of hb players voting in here. an unnanounced vote is just of no real meaning, as there seems less registered hb players than normal players. we could just start a vote, no problem, deciding if we should simply stop all further developments concerning a new fast paced mode oder making all modes more fast paced in general. how about setting it up for 3 weeks. to be sure every vote would came from only one player, we would still need you to register. are you confident that the unnanounced vote would reach enough hb players? i guess not. that's all i wanted to state there.
you may try to convince me with a fair vote.

2010-01-23, 02:24:51

IlPalazzo Wrote:
khEg Wrote:If ppl are not interested in being part of this community then also BTanks cant be that important for them and therefor the removal could be ignored.

This is a terrible assumption... 90% of the people that play normal don't even come here - because there was no reason to prior to (and after) the league because the clans, games, and chat-rooms were sufficient to facilitate a good BT community. And to say they don't care is an even worse assumption. With people from normal calling them out-right noobs and people from the DevTeam to leave and go play Battleships - why should they be interested in coming here? Despite this, some STILL come here - bitter, yes, but they still come here because they DO care about the game. Look at some of the early topics - there are probably at least 20 pages concerning HB, some spam and flame yes - but some trying to make real contribution to the game. HBers do care... So much so that I doubt Mr. Guest and some of the people here will quit with HB gone. Mr. Guest is quite pissed, yes - but he won't be leave or become "uninterested" in the game. No person who doesn't care posts page upon page of complaint FROM DIFFERENT COMPUTERS in hope for something.

That said:

guest Wrote:Again you dont listen to a word i write. And thats fine, thats your choice. Ill keep typing the truth. The mad editors wanted to remove HB and they did so, the votes, the excuses were all a decoy to distract away from the reality. They would have removed HB regardless of anything proved or done.

You are free to type these "truths," as the DevTeam and Mappers really don't have anything to hide. In fact, it would actually be better if they communicated their ideas more fully so people could see their true intentions - as they are not bad, even though some of the actions were not carried out in the best way or moments in time... That said, when you want to stop throwing blame and flame - we'll be willing to discuss.

Best of wishes,
IlPalazzo

im sorry but i wont play the non hb versions...

2010-01-23, 02:26:47

ilpallazo, you gave me your word i could post on this forum free from being banned for expressing my opinions...
when i came to the library today it said the ip was banned for a month...
i didnt receive any warnings

all the more reason why i cant post on my regular account name

2010-01-23, 02:29:02

Saiyuki Wrote:i didn't talk about the meaning of hb players voting in here. an unnanounced vote is just of no real meaning, as there seems less registered hb players than normal players. we could just start a vote, no problem, deciding if we should simply stop all further developments concerning a new fast paced mode oder making all modes more fast paced in general. how about setting it up for 3 weeks. to be sure every vote would came from only one player, we would still need you to register. are you confident that the unnanounced vote would reach enough hb players? i guess not. that's all i wanted to state there.
you may try to convince me with a fair vote.

how would any vote be of meaning as there seems less registered hb players than normal players?

the only suggestion i made was to put votes regarding HB mode on the bots where all btanks players are...any vote regarding HB on this forum would be a joke

khEg · 2010-01-23, 02:31:21

IlPalazzo Wrote:This is a terrible assumption... 90% of the people that play normal don't even come here - because there was no reason to prior to (and after) the league because the clans, games, and chat-rooms were sufficient to facilitate a good BT community. And to say they don't care is an even worse assumption. With people from normal calling them out-right noobs and people from the DevTeam to leave and go play Battleships - why should they be interested in coming here? Despite this, some STILL come here - bitter, yes, but they still come here because they DO care about the game. Look at some of the early topics - there are probably at least 20 pages concerning HB, some spam and flame yes - but some trying to make real contribution to the game. HBers do care... So much so that I doubt Mr. Guest and some of the people here will quit with HB gone. Mr. Guest is quite pissed, yes - but he won't be leave or become "uninterested" in the game. No person who doesn't care posts page upon page of complaint FROM DIFFERENT COMPUTERS in hope for something.

Actually there was a in game message spammed to death and even with this it wasnt important for more than 90% of the HB players to join the community.
Sure there are few that did come and sure there are also not all normal players part of us but how you suppose to work when you dont know what ppl want which are not really here. Its like you want to govern africa with seat of government in alaska. almost impossible! So the mappers and dev ppl can include opinions of all players registered here and actively voting and contributing and the rest - sad to say something like that - thats just their own fault!
I just quote myself:

khEg Wrote:If ppl are not interested in being part of this community then also BTanks cant be that important for them and therefor the removal could be ignored.

Its really just the way it is - ppl who are interested can come here and say what they want to be changed but not AFTER this whole stuff is outdated already.
If a person decides not to come here and says "wth they wont listen to me and they dont care anyways" then that person has bad luck by thinking that way.
I think i can speak for every single serious community member that noone who is polite and reasonable and constructive will ever be banned or flamed or mobbed for any reason. Thats just it and if you cant accept that - Im very sorry for you but thats just the truth.

2010-01-23, 03:08:15

khEg Wrote:
IlPalazzo Wrote:This is a terrible assumption... 90% of the people that play normal don't even come here - because there was no reason to prior to (and after) the league because the clans, games, and chat-rooms were sufficient to facilitate a good BT community. And to say they don't care is an even worse assumption. With people from normal calling them out-right noobs and people from the DevTeam to leave and go play Battleships - why should they be interested in coming here? Despite this, some STILL come here - bitter, yes, but they still come here because they DO care about the game. Look at some of the early topics - there are probably at least 20 pages concerning HB, some spam and flame yes - but some trying to make real contribution to the game. HBers do care... So much so that I doubt Mr. Guest and some of the people here will quit with HB gone. Mr. Guest is quite pissed, yes - but he won't be leave or become "uninterested" in the game. No person who doesn't care posts page upon page of complaint FROM DIFFERENT COMPUTERS in hope for something.

Actually there was a in game message spammed to death and even with this it wasnt important for more than 90% of the HB players to join the community.
Sure there are few that did come and sure there are also not all normal players part of us but how you suppose to work when you dont know what ppl want which are not really here. Its like you want to govern africa with seat of government in alaska. almost impossible! So the mappers and dev ppl can include opinions of all players registered here and actively voting and contributing and the rest - sad to say something like that - thats just their own fault!
I just quote myself:

khEg Wrote:If ppl are not interested in being part of this community then also BTanks cant be that important for them and therefor the removal could be ignored.

Its really just the way it is - ppl who are interested can come here and say what they want to be changed but not AFTER this whole stuff is outdated already.
If a person decides not to come here and says "wth they wont listen to me and they dont care anyways" then that person has bad luck by thinking that way.
I think i can speak for every single serious community member that noone who is polite and reasonable and constructive will ever be banned or flamed or mobbed for any reason. Thats just it and if you cant accept that - Im very sorry for you but thats just the truth.

This kind of speak is the worst. With one hand you push away all the people who disagree with you, in this case HB players are made to feel extremely unwelcome and with the other hand you use their non involvement as a pretext to make all the changes you like. You sir are a horrible person. I was banned today by someone for arguing for HB and i dont know who or why. You will never have to worry about being banned
because you are arguing for the normal mode players and because you are on the side of the mad editors. It must be nice to have that kind of safety.

2010-01-23, 03:36:29

Re: 5k/HB builds (spamposts)

Postby BENNIE.FM on Sun 01 Nov 09, 01:23
sorry yes i know it is Smile

i just hate hb that much haha Smile

and its taking over the btanks community thats i don't give a f~~~ about hb

Esvau once requested proof about HBs popularity.
Straight from Bennie.FM one of HBs worst enemies.

Is this where the reasons for removing HB come from? insecurity and fear that HB players would take over the Btanks community?

IlPalazzo · 2010-01-23, 03:37:25

khEg Wrote:Actually there was a in game message spammed to death and even with this it wasnt important for more than 90% of the HB players to join the community.
Sure there are few that did come and sure there are also not all normal players part of us but how you suppose to work when you dont know what ppl want which are not really here. Its like you want to govern africa with seat of government in alaska. almost impossible! So the mappers and dev ppl can include opinions of all players registered here and actively voting and contributing and the rest - sad to say something like that - thats just their own fault!
I just quote myself:

khEg Wrote:If ppl are not interested in being part of this community then also BTanks cant be that important for them and therefor the removal could be ignored.

Its really just the way it is - ppl who are interested can come here and say what they want to be changed but not AFTER this whole stuff is outdated already.
If a person decides not to come here and says "wth they wont listen to me and they dont care anyways" then that person has bad luck by thinking that way.
I think i can speak for every single serious community member that noone who is polite and reasonable and constructive will ever be banned or flamed or mobbed for any reason. Thats just it and if you cant accept that - Im very sorry for you but thats just the truth.

Here's what I see from the timeline:
1: "Why do you play High Bounty?" (http://btanks.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2687) is posted.
2: "Why High Bounty will be removed." (http://btanks.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=2730) is posted.
3: Annabot advertises people to come to the boards.

If you can, please recheck those topics - there were quite a bit, not a few, who gave their thoughts on the decision, reasons why they liked playing the mode, and some possibilities of how to make improvements. Keep in mind "Why HB will be removed" came well before Annabot's advertisement to save HB - throughout the whole subject matter the DevTeam made it clear that HB would not return. From the get-go it wasn't the HBers choice, the "whole stuff was outdated" well before most people received notice. That said, there was decent amount of constructive feedback given - enough to give an idea on where to start with a possible new mode.

guest Wrote:ilpallazo, you gave me your word i could post on this forum free from being banned for expressing my opinions...
when i came to the library today it said the ip was banned for a month...
i didnt receive any warnings

Sorry, I guess it wasn't my place to give you that security. I agree you should have been warned first - but that wasn't my call... I guess you made the right choice :| .

Your choice to compare the Mappers/Devs to Bush and insulting their intentions; however, is more like flaming and slander than presenting an argument. That isn't acceptable and was probably why your IP got banned... It would have sufficed to point out there was little discussion and debate before the removal of HB - leave politics and that other junk out of this.

Althend · 2010-01-23, 04:14:57

Your patience impress me Smile

2010-01-23, 04:25:42

IlPalazzo Wrote:
khEg Wrote:Actually there was a in game message spammed to death and even with this it wasnt important for more than 90% of the HB players to join the community.
Sure there are few that did come and sure there are also not all normal players part of us but how you suppose to work when you dont know what ppl want which are not really here. Its like you want to govern africa with seat of government in alaska. almost impossible! So the mappers and dev ppl can include opinions of all players registered here and actively voting and contributing and the rest - sad to say something like that - thats just their own fault!
I just quote myself:

khEg Wrote:If ppl are not interested in being part of this community then also BTanks cant be that important for them and therefor the removal could be ignored.

Its really just the way it is - ppl who are interested can come here and say what they want to be changed but not AFTER this whole stuff is outdated already.
If a person decides not to come here and says "wth they wont listen to me and they dont care anyways" then that person has bad luck by thinking that way.
I think i can speak for every single serious community member that noone who is polite and reasonable and constructive will ever be banned or flamed or mobbed for any reason. Thats just it and if you cant accept that - Im very sorry for you but thats just the truth.

Here's what I see from the timeline:
1: "Why do you play High Bounty?" (http://btanks.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2687) is posted.
2: "Why High Bounty will be removed." (http://btanks.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=2730) is posted.
3: Annabot advertises people to come to the boards.

If you can, please recheck those topics - there were quite a bit, not a few, who gave their thoughts on the decision, reasons why they liked playing the mode, and some possibilities of how to make improvements. Keep in mind "Why HB will be removed" came well before Annabot's advertisement to save HB - throughout the whole subject matter the DevTeam made it clear that HB would not return. From the get-go it wasn't the HBers choice, the "whole stuff was outdated" well before most people received notice. That said, there was decent amount of constructive feedback given - enough to give an idea on where to start with a possible new mode.

guest Wrote:ilpallazo, you gave me your word i could post on this forum free from being banned for expressing my opinions...
when i came to the library today it said the ip was banned for a month...
i didnt receive any warnings

Sorry, I guess it wasn't my place to give you that security. I agree you should have been warned first - but that wasn't my call... I guess you made the right choice :| .

Your choice to compare the Mappers/Devs to Bush and insulting their intentions; however, is more like flaming and slander than presenting an argument. That isn't acceptable and was probably why your IP got banned... It would have sufficed to point out there was little discussion and debate before the removal of HB - leave politics and that other junk out of this.

I dont see how it was insulting their intentions. If their intentions are dishonest than how else can you shed a light on it? All i did was paint a picture and illuminate the possibilities. The comparisons between the situations are the real disturbing problems.

IlPalazzo · 2010-01-23, 17:34:05

guest Wrote:I dont see how it was insulting their intentions. If their intentions are dishonest than how else can you shed a light on it? All i did was paint a picture and illuminate the possibilities. The comparisons between the situations are the real disturbing problems.

So you think all twelve members of the DevTeam discussed the topic of HB for the purpose of asking "How can we screw over and piss off a substantial part of our community?"

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