Fireball and Fan of Knives

[horselance]

These 2 weapons are nearly the same. I think one can be changed to another type of weapon. They both get same dps and range and bought to same cost.
Who agrees?

[Centreri]

Yeah, I find them to be a little too similar. The one real difference they have is that you can use fan of knives as a mid-range instead of a long-range weapon, but I think that slot deserves a more specialized weapon then a Fireball copy. Plus the Fan of Knives looks kind of cheesy.

[Morkardar]

what?!

One has high damage, low range, fast attackspeed --> upgrade --> high damage, medium range, fast attackspeed = Fan of Knives
One has high damge, medium range, low attackspeed --> upgrade --> high damage, medium range, fast attackspeed = Fireball

Similiar? Are you serious?
They have a completely different strategy requirement.
How can you say they are the same when Fan of Knives is low range without upgraded and Fireball shoots hell slow.
Ever tried massing Fan without upgrade? Good DPS - if you don't care about the low range it is only a benefit for you.

[TKF]

...more weapon whining


What if fan of knives got a damage boost instead of range boost when upgraded?


Meh I don't care about this. Same for me...

Fan of knives is very different that fireball cannon in terms of tactics. Upgrading fan of knifes eliminates the short range weakness, but for a certain cost. It's still barely weaker than fireball cannon when both are upgraded.

[BENNIE.FM]

keep the weapons they way the are i think there to diffrent weapons when it coming to using them fan knives fires faster which is good for creeping middle and i use fire ball on sides but usally i prefer basic magic 8)

[DerSatan]

maybe decrease the range of FoK further, to about 650? and then, maybe decrease its price to about 1100 and adjust its dps?

[Vomitus]

maybe decrease the range of FoK further, to about 650? and then, maybe decrease its price to about 1100 and adjust its dps?

Hmmm... a good idea! And a ready solution for this thread!

[SCorpA1]

maybe decrease the range of FoK further, to about 650? and then, maybe decrease its price to about 1100 and adjust its dps?

Hmmm... a good idea! And a ready solution for this thread!

yes this s a good agreement and we kill two birds with one stone^^
ithink this is the answer to two topics

[Gammagulp]

I use fan of knives only at the start and never Fireball, because I imagine I can creep better with faster fire rate and lower starting range. I buy it for scout and light tank.

I think I won´t start with a 650 Range weapon except for demolisher, because you have no chance against basic magic or fireball anymore in the very beginning.

[DerSatan]

it was mainly meant to be a valuable option as a first weapon for the goblin shredder, because you dont want to farm long (because you cant really) and you want so some noticable damage to enemy tanks as soon as possible.

but it could also be possible with demolisher, or antigrav (or with scout + iron hull?).




also: Fan of Knives really looks like a short range weapon (because of the huge visual projectile spread effect). and the word Fan itself also doesnt sound like anything with any kind of higher range.

[k-bones]

Let's set it to 650 and bonus range 300 (or 200? to prevent fireball and fan from being too similar after upgrading both). Happy?

Come on, you can always speed fireball up and leave plasma gun. Those two are almost the same except for price

[Morkardar]

if you set it to 650 it will get more dmg.

[TKF]

Let's set it to 650 and bonus range 300 (or 200? to prevent fireball and fan from being too similar after upgrading both). Happy?

Well not a bad suggestion in general. I'm not sure what exodus will think about it.

[Centreri]

There are differences in the weapons, but those are all before upgrading. I think those differences should stick after upgrading as well. I think that the fan of knives should either be downgraded (I agree that it'd be better as a 1100 short-range weapon) or made it so that the upgrade only increases damage, not range. There are enough 900-1000 range weapons in that money range, I think - plasma, fireball, fan of knives, light magic x2, etc. I don't think people would bemoan a change like this.

[bangyouredead]

I see no reason to change these weapons. Didn't read all the posts, but though they have similar damage when upgraded the knives have a faster attack speed whereas fireball packs a punch. Kind of like the 2k 1300 range to the energy torpedo. also, the fact that knives start at 750 range make them unique, as you can adjust the range later if you find 750 range isnt working. personally, I never use knives just because I never start short range, but it's not bad...

[k-bones]

if you set it to 650 it will get more dmg.

You can also adjust it's price.

[Morkardar]

That's true... but I like the fact that it is only available for certain tanks with low HP.
And to be honest, I think this is on purpose.

[Bhangbhangduc]

How about this?

Cost: 1100
Damage: 67
Cooldown: .5
Range: 550
DPS: 134

Upgrade Cost: 400
Bonus Range: +250


This kills two birds with one stone

[DerSatan]

although i wouldnt use the upgrade, i really liked that.

doesnt have to be 550 range (its would be the shortest range in game), 600 or 650 would be nice, too.

[horselance]

I say their upgrades are nearly same:

Fan of Knives (upg)

Damage: 98
Cooldown: 0.5
Range: 950
DPS: 196

Fireball (upg)

Damage: 154
Cooldown: 0.75
Range: 950
DPS: 205

They have nearly same dps and same range. And they cost same. So one of them can be replaced for other purpose eg. 1100 short range.. Or 2000 "ground only"-"normal" moded weapon with 1000 range.