eSVau double standards / abuse of league admin power

[griffin1987]

hi
I just have small opinion

nothing wrong with type -giveup while keep playing your best till the end ( dont deserve kick)

I agree with that...a individuell giving up doesnt mean, that someone deserves to be kicked.....his reaction after the the "giving up request" should be the crucial point.
Just a little point i wanted to add/support.

greetings

TL;DR: he was kickable for feeding, first 2 votes then 1 vote needed, so he fed on after first vote (and I'm pretty sure Trahtorist is a long time player, not a newbie), and also implicitely stated that he'd like for him to end the game by typing -giveup, which he was granted by being kicked.

Long version, with explanation:

1 If we go by what he deserved, than the kick system already took care of that, because it computed that he "deserved" a kick for feeding. I only initiated the kick, the kick system then decided that he deserved it with only 1 vote needed. And I'm not so sure he "played his best till the end", as I know the username trahtorist from quite some time ago (I'm sure league admins can check for how long he has been playing), so it could as well be said that he willingly feeded (BUT I never said that, it's ONLY AN EXAMPLE!), and I think it's pretty hard to play 3vs5 with such a bad score. But anyway, the kick system decided he can be kicked for feeding with only 1 vote, not I.

2. As can be read in the forum multiple times, I actually don't support kicking people for bad score. I just knew that he didn't want to keep on playing (because he stated so by typing -giveup) and that he probably could be kicked going by his score (if you look at the posted chat log, you can see that I actually tried 2 times before I succeeded)

3. I'm not so sure I understand what you mean by "his reaction after [...] giving up [...]" - I think you're talking about how Trahtorist behaved after the vote (if not, feel free to correct me of course) ; In that case:

- What would be the behaviour you think it would have been okay to kick him? If he fed? In that case, the kick system answers with a yes, because at first it took 2 votes to kick him, and then only 1, and the stated reason by the kick system was "feeding"

- What does it mean if you type -giveup / what is the intend?

Consider the following, going by plain logic (no specific players/situations or any oppinions, only plain logic):

1. If all players of one team type -giveup, the game is ended with that team losing. Correct? If yes, go on.

2. Point 1 implies that if one player types -giveup, he/she states his/her intent to end the game with a loss. Correct? If yes, go on.

3. If a game is ended, it is over. Sounds dumb, but it implies that it will be over for all players playing the game, and that no player will be part of the game anymore, as it is ended. Right?

4. 2+3 imply that if I type -giveup, it's okay for me if the game ends with my team losing, and that the game will be over, and thus I won't be in the game anymore (as it is over). Still correct so far?

5. going from 2 to 4 implies that it's okay for the player typing -giveup to not be part of the game anymore (as when everyone types -giveup, the game will be over anyway, meaning no one will continue playing the game)

6.Going by simple logic, we now have found out that typing -giveup states that it's okay for the issuing player to not be part of the game anymore (as when everyone ...). Interestingly, if one gets kicked, he won't be part of the game anymore, which is the same as he/she intended by typing -giveup.

7. If you're still following, in laymen terms we're now at "player types -giveup = player is okay with not being part of the game anymore", and "player being kicked = not being part of the game anymore". Simple logic now dictates "player types -giveup = player is okay with being kicked".

Now the question is: In which of these logic steps do you see an error?


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P.S: As I already said in my first post, I know that we're all only humans and no one is free of error, so this is not being fueled by hatred or anything like that, just an intend to correct what I think was an error which happened in the heat of the moment (eSVau banning me without ban request).