eSVau double standards / abuse of league admin power

[griffin1987]

It is invalid because it neglects the difference of a normal loss and a loss + kick penalty.

5. should really state "5. going from 2 to 4 implies that it's okay for the player typing -giveup to not be part of the game anymore under the condition of a loss after a completed game"

Hence the step from 5 to 6 is invalid and the whole argument colapses. A player who votes to giveup will still play normally, for otherwise he will risk penalty and (in some cases) a ban.



The situation is, as far as I see it, this: There is a rule (or better: guideline) that forbids "KICKING A TEAMPLAYER ON PURPOSE FOR PENALTY POINTS PUNISHMENT" (caps taken from the originial thread http://btanks.net/forum/showthread.php?tid=368) and there is a rule for the reverse of what has happend here "Even if your entire team doesn't accept surrender, don't get mad at them", which, while not stated explicitly, should also count for the current situation. Even if a teammates wants to surrender, don't get mad at them.

Regardless if you kick the player, or not, you will lose the game 99.999999%. A kick in such a situation is first and foremost unmannered, toxic behaviour and secondly can be read as a violation to these rules. What really sadens me is not that you want to get the ban removed (which would be no big of a deal, as it was a harsh decision), but that you think your action was perfectly fine - which it certainly was not.



PS: I agree with Cobra 100%.

I never said that I kicked the player for penalty points punishment, whatever that should mean. Also, if we go by what you said:

1. Why did the 4 people gozo1985 requested to be banned (see link in original post) not get a ban? That's called double standards.

2. If we go by the post, why is there no ban request? No posted replay by eSVau? ... That's called abuse of power.

So even if we were to come to the agreement that what I did was not okay, then there is still the thing about 1.) and 2.), which should result in 1. an unban, as well as not being banned for what I did (in the law of most european countries you're not allowed to get someone in (the same level of) court again for something if a) it was decided that he's not guilty or b) there was an error in processing before, and both of those rules have very valid reasons) and 2. an apology by eSVau for 2.) (and hopefully also the league admins talking to each other more to reduce the likelyhood of a such a thing - different league admins judging differently - happening in the future)

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ad your comment to 5. : The game was completed and lost, so this still holds true. Also in the thread linked there is "NO REPEATING IDIOT BEHAVIOR" which could be applied here as well if you want to go by an official list - because if you look at the replay, the difference in gameplay, and the fact that trahtorist has been playing for more than 2 years now _at least_ (I looked up his username on the league boards, but I can't look into qualify games or other bot stats, so he could as well be on the game for far longer), then what he did could be taken as such. Or TEAM SABOTAGE. Or REPEATED FEEDING ON PURPOSE. Already 3 reasons from the same post which could be applied, depending on perspective.

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P.S.: If you as league admins commit to in the future ban people who kick others because they don't give up, and eSVau unbans me and apologizes for the stated points, then I will be really willing to end this discussion and apologize myself for what I did.

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Just found this btw:

http://btanks.net/forum/showthread.php?t...0#pid35220

warrior_cobra posting about eSVau abusing his power by banning some player without a ban request. ...

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Actually,

Forget the PS. I'm not going down to that level. And just so there aren't additional misunderstandings: the points above I picked from TKFs post are only examples again, as I stated before, that I don't support kicking someone for playing badly.

Trahtorist: I'm sorry for kicking you. It was unjust, and you were just a very unfortunate collateral damage of which was a long chain of events (and many, many more - hundredths if not more - other times other people giving up, sometimes already 5 minutes into the game). Really, sorry.

Dear league admins, exc. eSVau: As always, thanks for your hard work, and sorry for the additional work I bring you with this topic. You can just keep this account of me banned if you so wish.

Dear eSVau: I think you make the other league admins look really bad by repeatedly (see linked post above) abusing your power and introducing double standards. I don't think they deserve that. But I don't have the power or will to judge you in any way, so I will just end it here with my appology to trahtorist.

In the end I hope this thread at least made some of you think again about things like the -giveup command or the kick system, both for which I have posted several threads to make them better (in every thread there is at least one suggestion which would've prevented this kick, which is the need for a vote of the enemy team).

Best Regards