2013-07-31, 00:28:13
griffin it's quite clear you hold a grudge against anyone who uses the -giveup command. I could argue with you how illogical and senseless your complete refusal to give up in some cases is, but at the end of the day you're perfectly within your rights to choose whether to give up or not. As Prog said however, this also works in reverse, you can't simply kick people for using the -giveup command, as they are within their rights to do that as well.
That being said, while you are within your rights to do this, in some cases this is also "provocative behavior" which can no doubt lead to conflict. If we take gozo's case as an example, his team kicked him primarily because he refused to giveup (the kick system also recognized he was "feeding" I assume). If that were taken into account alone, then his entire team may have deserved a ban. However many ban requests have been thrown out because the players "breaking the rules" were often provoked by others, this is particularly true with flaming ban requests. In this case the admin probably saw it as such. In other words a "no giving up ever" policy could easily be classified as "REPEATING IDIOT BEHAVIOR," since it serves to create conflict, which is explicitly against the guidelines.
If you have such a big problem with the -giveup command, then you should use the forum to suggest it be removed entirely, not hate on the players that use it.
As for people who are claiming esvau has double standards for not posting a request himself and letting another admin confirm it. Don't you realize it takes only one admin to confirm a ban request anyway? What if one of the players in that game submitted a ban request for griffin's "unsocial behavior" and then esvau confirmed it. You've got the same number of admin's reviewing the case so anything on "admins must post their own requests to be reviewed by other admins" is completely invalid.
That being said, while you are within your rights to do this, in some cases this is also "provocative behavior" which can no doubt lead to conflict. If we take gozo's case as an example, his team kicked him primarily because he refused to giveup (the kick system also recognized he was "feeding" I assume). If that were taken into account alone, then his entire team may have deserved a ban. However many ban requests have been thrown out because the players "breaking the rules" were often provoked by others, this is particularly true with flaming ban requests. In this case the admin probably saw it as such. In other words a "no giving up ever" policy could easily be classified as "REPEATING IDIOT BEHAVIOR," since it serves to create conflict, which is explicitly against the guidelines.
If you have such a big problem with the -giveup command, then you should use the forum to suggest it be removed entirely, not hate on the players that use it.
As for people who are claiming esvau has double standards for not posting a request himself and letting another admin confirm it. Don't you realize it takes only one admin to confirm a ban request anyway? What if one of the players in that game submitted a ban request for griffin's "unsocial behavior" and then esvau confirmed it. You've got the same number of admin's reviewing the case so anything on "admins must post their own requests to be reviewed by other admins" is completely invalid.