The New Bush Administration

[Guest]

Re: should the mappers bring back 5k hb with hcl command?

Postby Paladon on Mon 25 Jan 10, 10:16

Who said that there won't be changes concerning the modes?
There are already massive changes in latest version in comparison with the "normal" modes you probably know.

---

As it seems, most of you here do not realize that we don't just remove "high bounty" and leave the modes afterwards, which would naturally lead to disappointments. The removal is just one step from a couple concerning modes.

As i mentioned earlier, such a vote can never represent the whole community, but your old "high bounty" simply won't come back in the used kind of appearance. But that doesn't mean that we want to simply remove its aspects out of the game.
An issue, most of the current "gief hb back" posters do not realize. Good contributions involving suggestions will definitely lead to our real attention.
But i am honestly sick of telling this every time and getting flamed as liar afterwards, so if you go ahead that, don't complain that your "hb" experiences will be totally gone.

Thats it, and i guess i will not answer to posts about that topic missing the issues mentioned anymore.


Guys dont fall for this type of talk. Once again hes trying to blame the HB players for what happened. He is trying to say that because we are "complaining" about HB instead of giving them suggestions for the alternative that we are at fault for a lack of an HB mode. Its a another tactic in speaking to shift blame away from the real issue. He fails to accept responsibility for the fact that the only reason there is an alternative is because they removed HB. Hes just trying to lead you on into what he wants. Which is acceptance of HBs removal and demanding suggestions for improving the kind of mode that he wants, which is the alternative to HB. And again it implies that he is doing us a favor by working on the alternative to HB. I dont buy it. We dont have to settle for an alternative to HB. We can ask for more.

Drop the "They're all evil manipulative liars" bullshit would you? - IlPalazzo

[Guest]

Re: should the mappers bring back 5k hb with hcl command?

Postby Paladon on Mon 25 Jan 10, 10:16

Who said that there won't be changes concerning the modes?
There are already massive changes in latest version in comparison with the "normal" modes you probably know.

---

As it seems, most of you here do not realize that we don't just remove "high bounty" and leave the modes afterwards, which would naturally lead to disappointments. The removal is just one step from a couple concerning modes.

As i mentioned earlier, such a vote can never represent the whole community, but your old "high bounty" simply won't come back in the used kind of appearance. But that doesn't mean that we want to simply remove its aspects out of the game.
An issue, most of the current "gief hb back" posters do not realize. Good contributions involving suggestions will definitely lead to our real attention.
But i am honestly sick of telling this every time and getting flamed as liar afterwards, so if you go ahead that, don't complain that your "hb" experiences will be totally gone.

Thats it, and i guess i will not answer to posts about that topic missing the issues mentioned anymore.


Guys dont fall for this type of talk. Once again hes trying to blame the HB players for what happened. He is trying to say that because we are "complaining" about HB instead of giving them suggestions for the alternative that we are at fault for a lack of an HB mode. Its a another tactic in speaking to shift blame away from the real issue. He fails to accept responsibility for the fact that the only reason there is an alternative is because they removed HB. Hes just trying to lead you on into what he wants. Which is acceptance of HBs removal and demanding suggestions for improving the kind of mode that he wants, which is the alternative to HB. And again it implies that he is doing us a favor by working on the alternative to HB. I dont buy it. We dont have to settle for an alternative to HB. We can ask for more.

Drop the "They're all evil manipulative liars" bullshit would you? - IlPalazzo

Please dont put words into my mouth. I was responding to what one person said. There is no theyre all manipulative liars bullshit. This is about repeated attempts to discredit what the real issue is. The HB community never requested HBs removal or any attempts to what the map editors would call "improving" the mode. Thats what our "grief" is all about. And Ilpallazzo, i respect some of the things you say, but theres some things i dont respect about you. You play both sides of the fence and your signature is a nice attempt to draw attention away from what youre doing, which is standing in the middle. You got the moderator position, which is exactly what someone like you strives to do. Congrats.

[Guest]

you go do what you do best IlPalazzo. Put up slight resistance and in the end fold to whatever the map editors and admins want. Thats the difference between you and me. I dont compromise AT ALL when i think im right. If i believe something its all the way or nothing. Youll fold to whoever has the "power". Youd be content enough to get the table scraps of HB and try to make whatever changes you can settle for.

[IlPalazzo]

Please dont put words into my mouth. I was responding to what one person said. There is no theyre all manipulative liars bullshit. This is about repeated attempts to discredit what the real issue is. The HB community never requested HBs removal or any attempts to what the map editors would call "improving" the mode. Thats what our "grief" is all about. And Ilpallazzo, i respect some of the things you say, but theres some things i dont respect about you. You play both sides of the fence and your signature is a nice attempt to draw attention away from what youre doing, which is standing in the middle. You got the moderator position, which is exactly what someone like you strives to do. Congrats.

you go do what you do best IlPalazzo. Put up slight resistance and in the end fold to whatever the map editors and admins want. Thats the difference between you and me. I dont compromise AT ALL when i think im right. If i believe something its all the way or nothing. Youll fold to whoever has the "power". Youd be content enough to get the table scraps of HB and try to make whatever changes you can settle for.

I like HB because it's fast paced - not because there's a 100% increase in bounty tag... If they bring it back - that'd be cool. If they create an alternative which upholds this pace and balances it - even better. To remove it without any jumpstart into an alternative - was an utterly crappy move. That's my view, and it always has been. When have I compromised that?

But you know - there is a concept of arguing with someone's views while maintaining some form of common courtesy and respect. The difference between me and you - is that with one hand you point to Bennie, Pyscho, and eSVau's rude mannerism towards HB players. Yet with the other, you call all the DevTeam dishonest and comparable to the Bush Administration. How about you elaborate on why some of their reasoning is bad instead of dismissing them and calling them mere excuses? ... You expect them to change their attitude when you can't even adhere to the same respect you expect out of others?

[Guest]

Please dont put words into my mouth. I was responding to what one person said. There is no theyre all manipulative liars bullshit. This is about repeated attempts to discredit what the real issue is. The HB community never requested HBs removal or any attempts to what the map editors would call "improving" the mode. Thats what our "grief" is all about. And Ilpallazzo, i respect some of the things you say, but theres some things i dont respect about you. You play both sides of the fence and your signature is a nice attempt to draw attention away from what youre doing, which is standing in the middle. You got the moderator position, which is exactly what someone like you strives to do. Congrats.

you go do what you do best IlPalazzo. Put up slight resistance and in the end fold to whatever the map editors and admins want. Thats the difference between you and me. I dont compromise AT ALL when i think im right. If i believe something its all the way or nothing. Youll fold to whoever has the "power". Youd be content enough to get the table scraps of HB and try to make whatever changes you can settle for.

I like HB because it's fast paced - not because there's a 100% increase in bounty tag... If they bring it back - that'd be cool. If they create an alternative which upholds this pace and balances it - even better. To remove it without any jumpstart into an alternative - was an utterly crappy move. That's my view, and it always has been. When have I compromised that?

But you know - there is a concept of arguing with someone's views while maintaining some form of common courtesy and respect. The difference between me and you - is that with one hand you point to Bennie, Pyscho, and eSVau's rude mannerism towards HB players. Yet with the other, you call all the DevTeam dishonest and comparable to the Bush Administration. How about you elaborate on why some of their reasoning is bad instead of dismissing them and calling them mere excuses? ... You expect them to change their attitude when you can't even adhere to the same respect you expect out of others?

youre putting words in my mouth again. no one expects them to change. To the best of my knowledge i have clearly stated that i never intend any changes be made, im merely shedding a light on the situation. I have clearly and creatively at times showed why i believe what i think, and pointed out contradictions, inaccuracies. You on the other hand are above your own words. How about you elaborate on why its bullshit instead of dismissing what i say as bullshit. Put your money where mouth is and you do some work for a change instead of sending me to do all the work. You elaborate on why its bullshit. And dont try to put me in the same boat as them, i have been honest and clear at all times. Dont ever think im in the same boat as them or you.

[Guest]

Please dont put words into my mouth. I was responding to what one person said. There is no theyre all manipulative liars bullshit. This is about repeated attempts to discredit what the real issue is. The HB community never requested HBs removal or any attempts to what the map editors would call "improving" the mode. Thats what our "grief" is all about. And Ilpallazzo, i respect some of the things you say, but theres some things i dont respect about you. You play both sides of the fence and your signature is a nice attempt to draw attention away from what youre doing, which is standing in the middle. You got the moderator position, which is exactly what someone like you strives to do. Congrats.

you go do what you do best IlPalazzo. Put up slight resistance and in the end fold to whatever the map editors and admins want. Thats the difference between you and me. I dont compromise AT ALL when i think im right. If i believe something its all the way or nothing. Youll fold to whoever has the "power". Youd be content enough to get the table scraps of HB and try to make whatever changes you can settle for.

I like HB because it's fast paced - not because there's a 100% increase in bounty tag... If they bring it back - that'd be cool. If they create an alternative which upholds this pace and balances it - even better. To remove it without any jumpstart into an alternative - was an utterly crappy move. That's my view, and it always has been. When have I compromised that?

But you know - there is a concept of arguing with someone's views while maintaining some form of common courtesy and respect. The difference between me and you - is that with one hand you point to Bennie, Pyscho, and eSVau's rude mannerism towards HB players. Yet with the other, you call all the DevTeam dishonest and comparable to the Bush Administration. How about you elaborate on why some of their reasoning is bad instead of dismissing them and calling them mere excuses? ... You expect them to change their attitude when you can't even adhere to the same respect you expect out of others?

Youre also trying to state that i have done nothing to back up what i say. This is a flat out lie. Ive shown alot and i dont appreciate you even thinking im in the same boat as these people. Im not on here insulting all the people for playing a particular mode, im not here being extremely negative about a certain mode and i did not REMOVE a mode because i disliked it. There is no comparison.

[Guest]

Please dont put words into my mouth. I was responding to what one person said. There is no theyre all manipulative liars bullshit. This is about repeated attempts to discredit what the real issue is. The HB community never requested HBs removal or any attempts to what the map editors would call "improving" the mode. Thats what our "grief" is all about. And Ilpallazzo, i respect some of the things you say, but theres some things i dont respect about you. You play both sides of the fence and your signature is a nice attempt to draw attention away from what youre doing, which is standing in the middle. You got the moderator position, which is exactly what someone like you strives to do. Congrats.

you go do what you do best IlPalazzo. Put up slight resistance and in the end fold to whatever the map editors and admins want. Thats the difference between you and me. I dont compromise AT ALL when i think im right. If i believe something its all the way or nothing. Youll fold to whoever has the "power". Youd be content enough to get the table scraps of HB and try to make whatever changes you can settle for.

I like HB because it's fast paced - not because there's a 100% increase in bounty tag... If they bring it back - that'd be cool. If they create an alternative which upholds this pace and balances it - even better. To remove it without any jumpstart into an alternative - was an utterly crappy move. That's my view, and it always has been. When have I compromised that?

But you know - there is a concept of arguing with someone's views while maintaining some form of common courtesy and respect. The difference between me and you - is that with one hand you point to Bennie, Pyscho, and eSVau's rude mannerism towards HB players. Yet with the other, you call all the DevTeam dishonest and comparable to the Bush Administration. How about you elaborate on why some of their reasoning is bad instead of dismissing them and calling them mere excuses? ... You expect them to change their attitude when you can't even adhere to the same respect you expect out of others?

The compromise youll make is that in the end youll take whatever they give you. If you get what you want, youll play, if not youll still play. Your opposition to removal of HB is at best completely empty. At some point you have to say that enough is enough and move on. You will probably be here for a long time regardless of what happens.

[Althend]

Please dont put words into my mouth. I was responding to what one person said. There is no theyre all manipulative liars bullshit. This is about repeated attempts to discredit what the real issue is. The HB community never requested HBs removal or any attempts to what the map editors would call "improving" the mode. Thats what our "grief" is all about. And Ilpallazzo, i respect some of the things you say, but theres some things i dont respect about you. You play both sides of the fence and your signature is a nice attempt to draw attention away from what youre doing, which is standing in the middle. You got the moderator position, which is exactly what someone like you strives to do. Congrats.

you go do what you do best IlPalazzo. Put up slight resistance and in the end fold to whatever the map editors and admins want. Thats the difference between you and me. I dont compromise AT ALL when i think im right. If i believe something its all the way or nothing. Youll fold to whoever has the "power". Youd be content enough to get the table scraps of HB and try to make whatever changes you can settle for.

I like HB because it's fast paced - not because there's a 100% increase in bounty tag... If they bring it back - that'd be cool. If they create an alternative which upholds this pace and balances it - even better. To remove it without any jumpstart into an alternative - was an utterly crappy move. That's my view, and it always has been. When have I compromised that?

But you know - there is a concept of arguing with someone's views while maintaining some form of common courtesy and respect. The difference between me and you - is that with one hand you point to Bennie, Pyscho, and eSVau's rude mannerism towards HB players. Yet with the other, you call all the DevTeam dishonest and comparable to the Bush Administration. How about you elaborate on why some of their reasoning is bad instead of dismissing them and calling them mere excuses? ... You expect them to change their attitude when you can't even adhere to the same respect you expect out of others?

+1

[Guest]

Please dont put words into my mouth. I was responding to what one person said. There is no theyre all manipulative liars bullshit. This is about repeated attempts to discredit what the real issue is. The HB community never requested HBs removal or any attempts to what the map editors would call "improving" the mode. Thats what our "grief" is all about. And Ilpallazzo, i respect some of the things you say, but theres some things i dont respect about you. You play both sides of the fence and your signature is a nice attempt to draw attention away from what youre doing, which is standing in the middle. You got the moderator position, which is exactly what someone like you strives to do. Congrats.

you go do what you do best IlPalazzo. Put up slight resistance and in the end fold to whatever the map editors and admins want. Thats the difference between you and me. I dont compromise AT ALL when i think im right. If i believe something its all the way or nothing. Youll fold to whoever has the "power". Youd be content enough to get the table scraps of HB and try to make whatever changes you can settle for.

I like HB because it's fast paced - not because there's a 100% increase in bounty tag... If they bring it back - that'd be cool. If they create an alternative which upholds this pace and balances it - even better. To remove it without any jumpstart into an alternative - was an utterly crappy move. That's my view, and it always has been. When have I compromised that?

But you know - there is a concept of arguing with someone's views while maintaining some form of common courtesy and respect. The difference between me and you - is that with one hand you point to Bennie, Pyscho, and eSVau's rude mannerism towards HB players. Yet with the other, you call all the DevTeam dishonest and comparable to the Bush Administration. How about you elaborate on why some of their reasoning is bad instead of dismissing them and calling them mere excuses? ... You expect them to change their attitude when you can't even adhere to the same respect you expect out of others?

The idea that i havent elaborated is the most offensive and dishonest thing ive seen you say Ilpallazo. This is why i dont respect some of the things you say. You paint dishonest pictures of people when it suits your point. Youre like me, but youre a pretend version. You just tried to make me look bad, but you have nothing to back it up. Ive elaborated quite alot.

[eSVau]

There a german saying "Wie man in den Wald hineinruft, so schallt es heraus" (What goes around, comes around?)

[IlPalazzo]

youre putting words in my mouth again. no one expects them to change. To the best of my knowledge i have clearly stated that i never intend any changes be made, im merely shedding a light on the situation. I have clearly and creatively at times showed why i believe what i think, and pointed out contradictions, inaccuracies. You on the other hand are above your own words. How about you elaborate on why its bullshit instead of dismissing what i say as bullshit.

The idea that i havent elaborated is the most offensive and dishonest thing ive seen you say Ilpallazo. This is why i dont respect some of the things you say. You paint dishonest pictures of people when it suits your point. Youre like me, but youre a pretend version. You just tried to make me look bad, but you have nothing to back it up. Ive elaborated quite alot.

Youre also trying to state that i have done nothing to back up what i say. This is a flat out lie. Ive shown alot and i dont appreciate you even thinking im in the same boat as these people. Im not on here insulting all the people for playing a particular mode, im not here being extremely negative about a certain mode and i did not REMOVE a mode because i disliked it. There is no comparison.

Really? What I've heard from you mostly revolves around the idea that this board is biased and dishonest. Though the former is true and very valid - is your only reason to be here is to dwell on this?

The compromise youll make is that in the end youll take whatever they give you. If you get what you want, youll play, if not youll still play. Your opposition to removal of HB is at best completely empty. At some point you have to say that enough is enough and move on. You will probably be here for a long time regardless of what happens.

I'll do what any person does - stop playing when the game becomes boring. Removing the only fast-mode HB made the game more boring overall... I've taken long breaks before, and will put the game down in future when I see fit.

Put your money where mouth is and you do some work for a change instead of sending me to do all the work. You elaborate on why its bullshit. And dont try to put me in the same boat as them, i have been honest and clear at all times. Dont ever think im in the same boat as them or you.

Were you ever around for the other HB threads?

[psycho_dmr]

sidenote:
guests cant post anymore in this forum.. i want to know WHOs posting here (not for banning, nvm).
as german law i'm the guy who has the accountability for all posted text here, so i want to know whos posting what.