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What is the best way to counter a long range player? Every time I random something like Medivac w/ Molotov, and go against a Heli or Scout with Bombarding Rockets, I don't know what to do. They can creep faster than me because I can't get too close due to my low HP.
Do I buy a hull first, or try and save for a bigger tank like Thunder? Would Troop Command be effective?
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2011-04-15, 16:09:27
(This post was last modified: 2011-04-15, 16:10:45 by Prog.)
Medivac + bonfire = bad. Especially against long range, no way to get close enough.
The most important thing against long range is to notice the fact that long range becomes weaker with gametime (as stibi mentioned) and play accordingly. The imperative should be not to get kills, but to get into the middle/late game without any feeding. Play very defensive and stay next to your force's creeps. On side lane i'd recommand the smallest hull asap to be safe and go for Air Ship afterwards (you need the speed). In mid you might get a hull if either you can play offensive against non-long rangers (only 1 long range in the opponent team) or if 2+ players have long range weapons and stuns. Then go for a 4k+ tank. If there is only 1 long ranger (or 2 without stun spells) you can also rush for a tank in the 4k-4.5k gold range. I do not recommend going for heavy tank without hull, the timespan needed is simply too long.
Later on go for teleporter to snipe lone long rangers. In a direct close combat fight they will have no chance if they didn't get a significant number of kills early on. (If they did get lots of kills early on, you are doomed ~~)
There are more ways to cope with long range, but those can be relatively easy guidelines in my opinion.
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Some good players already made comments against long range in a 1v1 case.
If 3v3 at middle, when the other team has 3 long rangs while the own team has none or only 1, the team work at the beginning becomes more important. Suggest to stay with the mates together, don't let someone go alone and get focused and then overfeed the long range team. Also try to share some damage for the mates, don't let anyone die too easy. 1 of the guy should get a heavy tank or something similar to absorb more damange, while the other 2 can still saving. (but a hull is needed at least).
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I would say:
- Buy hull if they buy a second long range weapon (otherwise you feed as hell or have a too big handicap tooc reep)
- saving to get tiers 2 at 10th minute is a good way to do it (getting airship or thunder or heavy ; NOT ghost)
- troop is effective if your tank seepd is higher than opponent speed
And if you plan to use troop early and surprised them (and do funny mean underrated build), i would suggest: Tinker + light hull + troop. You teleport on opponent, do troop and select all your troop to attack him. (then you up hull, then weapon costing 2k max then steel hull)
I am so good that I don't even need to type -rc because I never die !
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Imo, if you are medivac and you face an air tank on side, you should switch to mid. Your q skill need to be able to hit the tank along with the creeps to help you farm faster. Air tanks generally don't stay on top of tanks, and heli with bombard rocket never stay on top of creeps. Better if you just ask for a switch early to mid; it gets you out of trouble and your heal helps your teammates.
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(2011-04-27, 12:54:16)toyboatt Wrote: STAY BEHIND YOUR CREEPWAVES.
Don't be a coward and be next to your creep :p (it is better :p)
I am so good that I don't even need to type -rc because I never die !
