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Hi,
since the new modes came up games need much more time to fill up, a lot of the games are "nothing allowed but Tanks" and even the ANNA-Bot fill up really slow since it changed to the "new 5k mode"
What do you guys think about it -> Why so many leave BT games to play Dota ?
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yeah yeah, u talked to every single player and asked him about that, so u know about it for sure and tell us about...</sarcasm>
i'm sick of those statements :evil:
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Watching the number of hosted games tells another story. It doesn't look like there are less games played. And another point: the number of bots has increased since we are running our league test bots (and i know of some other new bots). So there are more games open but each game fills up slower. Another problem are people not able to wait for a few minutes until the game is full. You always see people join and immedately leave if there are currently only a few players in the game. If they would stay for a few minutes the games would fill very fast.
For the upcoming league there will be a list of open games. So people who want to play a game can have a look at this list and pick one of the games, copy the gamename and join it. This way finding an open league game will be very easy.
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Another point is that not all open games are shown up on the game list. Bot owners wont find their own games using the game list (q.v. ghost forum)
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Ok than the number ob Bots is the Problem ...
The longest Time i been in an Bot waiting to start was over an Hour -> than i left
In the Morning it is most bad ... bevore the change the Anna bot was the onlyone who filled up and now noone fills in the Morning but 5+ open.
The "League Games" are now "nothing allowed but Tanks" - Games and the old teamplay from the -league games are gone now.
in the old League the standart Game was "normal" and everything allowed what Exodus implemented in the Game.
Now Exodus is gone and Features of the Game become removed (-hb) or disabled in league (trader, exploder) and the game becomes boring ....... only couse sone newbees cant handle exploder (just place breaker) or the exploder leaves when breaker are placed (just try disable breaker with see invis wards) .... or cant handle trader -> just hunt him down.
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Velocity2k Wrote:Another problem are people not able to wait for a few minutes until the game is full. You always see people join and immedately leave if there are currently only a few players in the game. If they would stay for a few minutes the games would fill very fast. Goddamn this is very true :!: (example: i often see games where in less than one minute 5 ppl join and leave one after another)
Velocity2k Wrote:For the upcoming league there will be a list of open games. So people who want to play a game can have a look at this list and pick one of the games, copy the gamename and join it. This way finding an open league game will be very easy. Glad to see this :wink:
Lavias Wrote:The "League Games" are now "nothing allowed but Tanks" wierd statement cO sure in Btanks there are just tanks 
Well actually I must say that it is my opinion league games always should be like the normal mode of the map, so youre right in that point ^^ but i thing as it is still the beta phase there are no obstacles to just "fix" that
*vote for League = normal!*
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khEg Wrote:Well actually I must say that it is my opinion league games always should be like the normal mode of the map, so youre right in that point ^^ but i thing as it is still the beta phase there are no obstacles to just "fix" that
*vote for League = normal!*
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*also vote for League = normal!*
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We should put a limit to number of bots. ^_^
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It would help when the Bot has a intern method wich recognize the useage.
Something like :
If less than 4 Player in the waiting game & game older than 10 minutes -> Close Bot and restart 10 minutes later
if the last Player leave the game & game is 5-10 minutes olf -> Close Bot and restart earlyest 1 Hour later or if more Botgames from this Bot are open reduce the maximum ammount by 1
if it fill up in less than 5 minutes increase maximum ammounth of Botgame by 1 (if enough capacity)
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Althend Wrote:We should put a limit to number of bots. ^_^ I'm sorry to disapoint you but you will never ever get this to reality. You cant forbid ppl to host whatever map they want when they want and with bot if they want (and have one ^^)
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khEg Wrote:Althend Wrote:We should put a limit to number of bots. ^_^ I'm sorry to disapoint you but you will never ever get this to reality. You cant forbid ppl to host whatever map they want when they want and with bot if they want (and have one ^^)
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I think that host bot are done by player's fan. I dont see why some of them would not shut down in order to make the game more played ^_^
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We can try .. i dont wanna say things i cant prove :wink:
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is there any sort of reasoning why the league games have almost the most restrictive settings possible?
if you dont think exploder/trader is balanced, try balancing them instead of removing (even though its fine imo) - same goes with high bounty.
+1 normal mode for league games
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newbcake3 Wrote:is there any sort of reasoning why the league games have almost the most restrictive settings possible?
if you dont think exploder/trader is balanced, try balancing them instead of removing (even though its fine imo) - same goes with high bounty. its more that a good trader in a well balanced team means a much greater chance for the team to win. first, there is one less tank on one lane, increasing exp and gold gain for the left player(s) on that lane and second the additional gold. as its not given that every team always has a trader, it is easier to exclude him of league games.
it's about the same with the exploder. the effect given by the use of this tank will deal a huge impact for the responsive team, if played well, or devasting if played really bad.
it's simply much harder to get good stats with these aspect in league games. moreover with tanks that aren't played that often.
"is player XY good only because he had a trader/exploder in his team?" and the likes would be the response of the loosing team.
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right now part of the reason the games aren't filling up fast is because the increase in the number of global bots jumped so high so recently. If past patterns repeat then, since the map is good, the larger number of games being hosted should begin to fill faster as the average number of players looking for a game increases over time. When qweqbot was running on 4 servers at first it took a long time to fill but after a couple months it was almost instant.
the bot's games would fill up faster if the game names were listed on kalimdor and private servers. No one i know of is including those servers in their bot configs for various reasons but I wish they were since it would include more players.
and not just kalimdor. it would be awesome if all the private servers were joined with the global bots too, like bored ausie server. I here there's a descent sized bt clan on there. if some one could get away with it that would be my bot of preference to use.
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If anyone's using a global bot to host private games then please consider letting me add the bot to clan bt in lordaeron so the people hanging out there can see the games being made and /whois the bot on the clan list. Then they can join if they're curious.
to any friendly and super cool person out there: I'd like to get admin and mutually friended to a bot that hosted in every realm and private server too if it's possible. I'll follow whatever crazy rules for admins anyone's got. I know i'm a retarded asshole but at least i'm honest and trustworthy.
what i'd really, really, really like is to get mutually friended to the bots that frechheit and clan bug use for their internal games so that I can o join those every once and a while.
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I have to agree.
I think the league SHOULD allow trader, tinker, exploder etc.
I don't mind playing without them, and I think is more variety to the game then just shoot them up. Opens up a lot more strats, my 2 cents
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I basicly agree with the larger variety which should be offered. But in our opinion, you can hardly compare Exploders or Traders with usual tanks.
But the league does in fact compare stats like death/kills and team stats which are falling out of comparison with other league games if (for example) a trader is involved.
We'd just like to keep the League fair.
Maybe you guys have ideas so we can solve that problem.
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We could do without it, but if the Trader and Exploder can somehow be balanced into the League dynamics, the competitive game would be leaps better.
Pala (Velo/DevTeam), could you possibly release the intended League Formula (or what you have in mind so far)?
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Paladon Wrote:I basicly agree with the larger variety which should be offered. But in our opinion, you can hardly compare Exploders or Traders with usual tanks.
But the league does in fact compare stats like death/kills and team stats which are falling out of comparison with other league games if (for example) a trader is involved.
We'd just like to keep the League fair.
Maybe you guys have ideas so we can solve that problem. I have one idea but actually I dont know how practicable this would be:
When you choose league you have an additional option where you can set with or without trader ("without" is self explaining^^). If you choose with trader each team has to vote for one person being a trader so that each team has one! Of course this needs to be set that noone else can be trader as long as one trader is in that team (making it possible to swap, which wouldnt be very effective for sure  ). Well .. rest needs to be determined in further discussions i guess 
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To test your bot theory, host an old version that does have 5K HB one week later on the same day.
If there is little to no difference, then perhaps they are right when they say there are that many more bots BUT
if people fill the game much faster then you have a solution to your problem.
Now the solution to the problem isn't going to be easily seen because 1) the community is small.
It isn't anyone's choice here to suggest "working backwards" other than the map developers and I bet they don't
want to start at HB and scale (nerf) it back from there. Coincidentally DOTA did that. Everything got nerfed alot after DOTA 5.36
and you know what? It turned out ok. They even kept their version of "easy mode" and really what it comes down to is
just player skill. Kids blame bad games on ANYTHING and will continue to do it. You can't have a sensible debate about EM DOTA
just like you can't talk about HB btanks here. Not that DOTA is relevant here but if you go to a DOTA forum and talk about how you
like -EM it's the same reaction you get. Players don't comprehend player skill. Decisions in different modes produce different results
BUT IF YOU ARE A GOOD PLAYER IT WON'T MATTER. ALL THE CRYING AND WHINING IN THE WORLD WON'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT
YOU LOST A GAME. BLAMING THE MODE IS CHILDISH.
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