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Deflective Armor
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(2012-07-03, 19:37:29)Exodus Wrote: I do acknowledge the fact, that the Deflective Armor is overpowered at the moment. My actions to change this won't be as drastic as some people suggested here, but it should help.

(2012-07-03, 17:12:23)unpredictable_m Wrote: option a) dmg dealed to the tank should be : (80 + 80 - 60) * 10 = 1200 DPS

option b) dmg dealed to the tank should be : [(80 - 60) + (80 - 60) ] * 10 = 400 DPS

original dmg dealed to the tank without deflective armor: (80 + 80 )* 10 = 1600 DPS

=> if option a) nerf a bit like the suggestions you made before
=> if option b) remove it from btanks

First I'd like to answer to this post. Just by picking the by far best scenario in which you could use the Deflective Armor doesn't prove its imbaness. By the same logic I could argue, that the Deflective Armor is useless, since it reduces the damage of the Titans Devil Explosion by only 1%.

Nevertheless, I did some calculations on how the Deflective Armor interacts with all weapons and yes, the damage reduction is more, than anticipated before. So I'll make changes to both Burst and Deflective.

The planned new values look like this (upgrades still work the same way):
Burst Armor Deflective Armor
Dmg old Cd old Dmg new Cd new Dmg old Cd old Dmg new Cd new
750 5 600 4 60 0,4 50 0,33

Also, the price will be increased from 800g + 1600g to 1000g + 2000g.

And the last thing: yes, there is going to be a blue print, that includes the Deflective Armor. Funnily enough, everybody seems to come up with the idea to integrate it into the Mass Converter. But I changed how the Armor works in the Mass Converter, it's just a magic resistance there. This way it will become better against certain weapons / skills and worse against others. Also, there should be no perfomance concerns with this solution.

@Unpredictable_m
so far it should block accordingly to your B option because the cooldown of it is 0

@Exodus
at least we agree on 1 part, that the deflective is OP so far, however that seems like the only thing we agree on at this matterWink

I think your solution of nerf this weapon is wrong since it will lose the purpose I think you created it for.
The problem about this item is that it blocks way too much damage, and not that the cooldown is 0. If you give deflective just as much as 0.00000001 sec cooldown it already has lost it's purpose in my eyes. It might work fine if the opponent has just 1 poison, but what if he has 4? then the deflective armor would only affect 1 of the poisons and the rest of them would do full damage which means the deflective armor wouldn't really do much difference. so please instead of making deflective from an OP item to a shit item i suggest you keep the cooldown at 0 and lower the amount of reduced damage heavily.

@raptorxi
Yes you are right about the fact that the right thing to do when someone buys flamer, poison, laser is to buy deflective to counter it, but what is the alternative for shortrangers? since ghost of dooms and light fantastic is semi range i'm missing a shortrange weapon with high damage and higher cooldown as an alternative for shortrangers to counter deflective aswell. it's not really fair if it goes one way onlyWink
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Deflective Armor - by ssl - 2012-07-01, 16:49:31
RE: Deflective Armor - by RaptorXI - 2012-07-01, 16:55:33
RE: Deflective Armor - by ssl - 2012-07-01, 17:01:38
RE: Deflective Armor - by RaptorXI - 2012-07-01, 17:08:37
RE: Deflective Armor - by LIoOoOoIL - 2012-07-01, 17:13:26
RE: Deflective Armor - by RaptorXI - 2012-07-01, 17:20:50
RE: Deflective Armor - by Teo_live - 2012-07-02, 16:17:53
RE: Deflective Armor - by daCe - 2012-07-02, 17:13:12
RE: Deflective Armor - by RaptorXI - 2012-07-02, 18:27:31
RE: Deflective Armor - by ssl - 2012-07-03, 12:44:29
RE: Deflective Armor - by daCe - 2012-07-03, 12:50:24
RE: Deflective Armor - by El_Polacco - 2012-07-03, 13:00:05
RE: Deflective Armor - by LIoOoOoIL - 2012-07-03, 15:18:32
RE: Deflective Armor - by daCe - 2012-07-03, 16:32:12
RE: Deflective Armor - by unpredictable_m - 2012-07-03, 17:12:23
RE: Deflective Armor - by RaptorXI - 2012-07-03, 17:45:23
RE: Deflective Armor - by Exodus - 2012-07-03, 19:37:29
RE: Deflective Armor - by Wupti - 2012-09-03, 02:32:27
RE: Deflective Armor - by RaptorXI - 2012-07-03, 19:52:15
RE: Deflective Armor - by UnifiedDoom - 2012-07-03, 20:25:53
RE: Deflective Armor - by RaptorXI - 2012-07-03, 21:57:00
RE: Deflective Armor - by unpredictable_m - 2012-07-03, 20:17:52
RE: Deflective Armor - by ssl - 2012-07-03, 20:32:25
RE: Deflective Armor - by daCe - 2012-07-03, 21:24:43
RE: Deflective Armor - by Exodus - 2012-07-03, 23:40:41
RE: Deflective Armor - by UnifiedDoom - 2012-07-05, 06:42:11
RE: Deflective Armor - by Exodus - 2012-07-05, 11:04:34
RE: Deflective Armor - by dfhjfd - 2012-07-16, 05:56:56
RE: Deflective Armor - by UnifiedDoom - 2012-07-16, 19:10:52
RE: Deflective Armor - by Prog - 2012-07-16, 20:04:40
RE: Deflective Armor - by UnifiedDoom - 2012-07-17, 02:01:34
RE: Deflective Armor - by ssl - 2012-07-16, 19:30:26
RE: Deflective Armor - by daCe - 2012-07-16, 20:57:19
RE: Deflective Armor - by Prog - 2012-07-17, 02:18:35
RE: Deflective Armor - by RaptorXI - 2012-07-17, 02:33:20
RE: Deflective Armor - by ICE2607 - 2012-07-17, 21:37:22
RE: Deflective Armor - by Exodus - 2012-07-17, 21:58:23
RE: Deflective Armor - by ICE2607 - 2012-07-17, 22:25:02
RE: Deflective Armor - by Exodus - 2012-07-17, 23:16:09
RE: Deflective Armor - by Teo_live - 2012-07-18, 18:24:18
RE: Deflective Armor - by Crag_Hack - 2012-07-30, 01:04:21
RE: Deflective Armor - by ssl - 2012-07-30, 02:17:34
RE: Deflective Armor - by RaptorXI - 2012-09-01, 18:41:55
RE: Deflective Armor - by Prog - 2012-09-01, 19:43:52
RE: Deflective Armor - by RaptorXI - 2012-09-01, 20:41:00
RE: Deflective Armor - by Prog - 2012-09-01, 22:06:16
RE: Deflective Armor - by RaptorXI - 2012-09-02, 10:12:27
RE: Deflective Armor - by RaptorXI - 2012-09-03, 18:20:13
RE: Deflective Armor - by progg - 2012-09-03, 22:39:29
RE: Deflective Armor - by Exodus - 2012-09-04, 09:34:19
RE: Deflective Armor - by progg - 2012-09-04, 16:20:48
RE: Deflective Armor - by Wupti - 2012-09-06, 01:56:10
RE: Deflective Armor - by FreeJason - 2013-01-17, 18:52:53
RE: Deflective Armor - by progg - 2012-09-07, 16:28:28
RE: Deflective Armor - by 091846 - 2013-01-13, 18:08:41

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