2013-03-21, 14:50:04
I believe that the general player attitude has sadly taken a turn for the worse in the last years, which lead to more kick abuse or in general to situations where you want to kick someone. Also the fact that the league is nearly the sole hoster of games leads to the state of mind where you just want to win your games and if that doesn't work, you give up.
It's sad to see how the BT community behaves and treats each other.
But regarding that kick suggestion, I'll have to decline that. With your suggestion we have completed the circle and would be, where we started. As you are aware, there was a reason why the kick system has been changed several times over the years and it seems that the first version lies so long in the past, that people only remember the good parts of it ;)
I believe in its first incarnation everyone was prompted for a vote (which most people still do, for some reason (some even still use the -notips command ...)). I think you needed about 80% yes votes for a succesfull kick. So you had to rely on the enemy team to kick someone from your team. But in a lot of cases the enemy team just refused to kick, because it was a advantage for them to leave the player in question in the game. Because people were (and still are) selfish, this version is not working either.
So the second version came along in which only your own team was able to vote. Since there is always someone that is either afk, does not know how to use the kick system or just refuses kicks in general, you didn't every player to vote yes for a succesfull kick. Since the player in question can't vote against his own kickvote, that leaves three players that need to vote yes to kick. This made it pretty easy to kick, especially if the guys in the team knew each other. This lead to a lot of kicks based on simple sympathies or general moods of the players, so many were kicked just out of spite.
To limit those kind of kicks, the special conditions have been introduced, which were also changed several times.
All in all I have to say, that I rather have a more restrictive kick command, than an easy one. People shouldn't be kicked all the time.
Maybe another slight adjustment could help: make kicks slighty harder (more votes needed), but also include votes from the other team? Since there are only -yes votes, this should not be disadvantageous for you.
Well, this became way more text than I intended, but I hope you get the point.
It's sad to see how the BT community behaves and treats each other.
But regarding that kick suggestion, I'll have to decline that. With your suggestion we have completed the circle and would be, where we started. As you are aware, there was a reason why the kick system has been changed several times over the years and it seems that the first version lies so long in the past, that people only remember the good parts of it ;)
I believe in its first incarnation everyone was prompted for a vote (which most people still do, for some reason (some even still use the -notips command ...)). I think you needed about 80% yes votes for a succesfull kick. So you had to rely on the enemy team to kick someone from your team. But in a lot of cases the enemy team just refused to kick, because it was a advantage for them to leave the player in question in the game. Because people were (and still are) selfish, this version is not working either.
So the second version came along in which only your own team was able to vote. Since there is always someone that is either afk, does not know how to use the kick system or just refuses kicks in general, you didn't every player to vote yes for a succesfull kick. Since the player in question can't vote against his own kickvote, that leaves three players that need to vote yes to kick. This made it pretty easy to kick, especially if the guys in the team knew each other. This lead to a lot of kicks based on simple sympathies or general moods of the players, so many were kicked just out of spite.
To limit those kind of kicks, the special conditions have been introduced, which were also changed several times.
All in all I have to say, that I rather have a more restrictive kick command, than an easy one. People shouldn't be kicked all the time.
Maybe another slight adjustment could help: make kicks slighty harder (more votes needed), but also include votes from the other team? Since there are only -yes votes, this should not be disadvantageous for you.
Well, this became way more text than I intended, but I hope you get the point.
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