2014-01-23, 21:13:47
@Max: At this point we probably agree to disagree
To me, the kick system shouldn't be there to kick players out which are bad at the game - I think they have the same right to play as everyone else. That is, if they aren't doing shit deliberately.
To me the kick system should be there to kick people who:
.) Stand in the corner instead of leaving
.) Mass-Insult others ('Im not complaining about people who sometimes write "Idiot", but when someone starts talking racist, about other peoples family or the like, then I'd preferrably kick that one - no matter if he's a good player or a bad one)
.) try to sabotage their team, e.g. by exploding on team mates or in base or trying eco sabotage
.) Just doing what they want because they think everyone else is just there for them (e.g. when people leave their lane without saying anything and refuse to go back even after you ask them to and start insulting you after you tell them "you should at least ASK if someone swaps with you" - really, when people ask me politely I do it (swapping with them) nearly always, but not if someone has no manners)
.) saving and pausing game to disturb others
.) use a lagtool (yes, there is such a thing - people benefit from it by using command chaining before they activate it) or think that it's not their problem when they want to play bt with 2 seconds latency on their UMTS connection somewhere in the mountains
.) suicide all the time, waiting just long enough between deaths so you can't kick them (had players like that a couple of times now, they even write in global chat "you can kill me again in about half a minute, need to wait so they can't kick me" and things like that)
And no, ban requests aren't an option there because
1.) it doesn't help on qualify bot
2.) it doesn't help for the current game and most of the time for all games of that day or even the following days, depending how long it takes till an admin looks at it (don't take this the wrong way, I really appreciate the time you put into watching replays when no one pays you for that)
3.) it's not that much work to get a new acc in with enough games to play even ranked again, and nowadays most people play qualify anyway (you can finish a couple of qualify games before the next ranked game is even half full)
Also, to copy & paste the list by gozo again, because it still holds true 10 months later:
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- He starts to eco sabotage... you cant kick him
- He starts to idle in the base and moves somtimes... you cant kick him
- He starts to flame, insult, spam, racism or whatever... ofcourse you can ignore him but... you cant kick him
- He starts to damage the team by giving up a lane(s) not helping defending on purpose... you cant kick him
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But of course this is just my oppinion / perspective, which I hope you can understand better now (e.g. and also the WHY I want to change the kick system in such a way)
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Anyway, can we have a "YES" on the two things (insta-kick with enough votes + print a message on -no) everyone seems to agree (or at least not disagree) on then @EXODUS? If I have to choose between no change at all and small steps in the right direction, I'd prefer the later one
Thanks
Best Regards
Johannes
To me, the kick system shouldn't be there to kick players out which are bad at the game - I think they have the same right to play as everyone else. That is, if they aren't doing shit deliberately.
To me the kick system should be there to kick people who:
.) Stand in the corner instead of leaving
.) Mass-Insult others ('Im not complaining about people who sometimes write "Idiot", but when someone starts talking racist, about other peoples family or the like, then I'd preferrably kick that one - no matter if he's a good player or a bad one)
.) try to sabotage their team, e.g. by exploding on team mates or in base or trying eco sabotage
.) Just doing what they want because they think everyone else is just there for them (e.g. when people leave their lane without saying anything and refuse to go back even after you ask them to and start insulting you after you tell them "you should at least ASK if someone swaps with you" - really, when people ask me politely I do it (swapping with them) nearly always, but not if someone has no manners)
.) saving and pausing game to disturb others
.) use a lagtool (yes, there is such a thing - people benefit from it by using command chaining before they activate it) or think that it's not their problem when they want to play bt with 2 seconds latency on their UMTS connection somewhere in the mountains
.) suicide all the time, waiting just long enough between deaths so you can't kick them (had players like that a couple of times now, they even write in global chat "you can kill me again in about half a minute, need to wait so they can't kick me" and things like that)
And no, ban requests aren't an option there because
1.) it doesn't help on qualify bot
2.) it doesn't help for the current game and most of the time for all games of that day or even the following days, depending how long it takes till an admin looks at it (don't take this the wrong way, I really appreciate the time you put into watching replays when no one pays you for that)
3.) it's not that much work to get a new acc in with enough games to play even ranked again, and nowadays most people play qualify anyway (you can finish a couple of qualify games before the next ranked game is even half full)
Also, to copy & paste the list by gozo again, because it still holds true 10 months later:
--- snip ---
- He starts to eco sabotage... you cant kick him
- He starts to idle in the base and moves somtimes... you cant kick him
- He starts to flame, insult, spam, racism or whatever... ofcourse you can ignore him but... you cant kick him
- He starts to damage the team by giving up a lane(s) not helping defending on purpose... you cant kick him
--- snip ---
----
But of course this is just my oppinion / perspective, which I hope you can understand better now (e.g. and also the WHY I want to change the kick system in such a way)
----
Anyway, can we have a "YES" on the two things (insta-kick with enough votes + print a message on -no) everyone seems to agree (or at least not disagree) on then @EXODUS? If I have to choose between no change at all and small steps in the right direction, I'd prefer the later one
Thanks
Best Regards
Johannes
Getting used to the Sand everywhere. At least it brings us map updates.