2008-06-06, 04:12:24
"It's the kind of skill that is either nearly useless or extremely deadly. It's how you use it, or more precisely in your case, how to prevent it. "
kind of like how weapons are either useless or extremely deadly depending on whether or not you... use.. them. (that's sarcasm in case you can't tell) that is a horribly weak argument. And the only way to prevent it is to run, which you can't always do, and doesn't make for a good argument anyways... what a fair game, all you can do is run. The only ways to prevent it is to be a sky fortress or an anti-grav. period, and anti-grav sucks in comparison.
"As I see it, this skill is like the grav tank ultimate: when used in the right situation (1v1 mainly), there is very little hope for your opponent."
That is completely not true. The grav tank ability makes a tank invulnerable for the duration of the ability. The sky fortress completely stuns them AND lets them get hit by everything for the entire duration. In fact, I've had my noob teammates on numerous occasions use the anti-grav's ultimate to prevent me from finishing a kill. In most games I play in, I usually have more weapons, HP, and better abilities than the grav tank. So when I wake up, I usually kill them, teleport if I'm low on HP, or continue about my business b/c a lot of gravs use it to get away.
"But it can be utterly wasted, as for example the victim receive assistance from a [A.] team mate, or you are forced to use it to counter a [B.]channeling spell (like rain of chaos of infernal)."
(A.) What kind of argument is that?? "no xenocide, the sky fortress's ability isn't over powered b/c you can be double or even multi-teamed..." wtf man... ok let me digress what if you had TWO sky fortresses vs. any two other tanks... point and case thank you.
(B.) That's actually a huge asset. Whenever you want, you can cancel their best AoE damage ability. In fact, it's fucking amazing because when youre fighting, as soon as they pop infernal rain you stun them and poof it's gone and they are dead (b/c they can't do anything for 5.4 seconds and you hit them for the entire duration).
"I'd choose this tank in a 1v1 context anytime myself."
me too...
"It's not overpowered generally. It's just strong in 1v1 or 2v2 fights (like antigrav), but in 3v3+ Infernal is way stronger, so it's quite well balanced for 5v5."
That's just not true though. First of all, you almost never have a game where all 10 players are skilled, decent, competent or even not afk. BUT, if you want to make the assumption you are playing against highly skilled players that work well in a team, the sky fortress is still far better. Not only do they just have to coordinate their stuns (lets assume they are lanning, on ventrillo, or just perceptive) so that any time one of them casts an AoE they interrupt it but they are also already better 1v1. So to recap, they can cancel all mass aoe (minus orbital command) and they can selective stun team members x5 for 5.4 sec, disabling their weapons. They can pick off anyone, at any time, and beat them 5v5.
At any rate, a very large part of this game is played on the 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 and in my experience, 1v2 and 1v3 level. That's where you get most of your kills, that's how you get ahead, and that's how you maintain your momentum. I don't think it's well balanced for 5v5. Additionally, if you're playing in a game where there are only one or two strong players on team A, all the crappiest person on your team has to do is buy a sky fortress, put 5 points into the broken ability, and snare him whenever your team draws near him. GG. It is completely broken.
kind of like how weapons are either useless or extremely deadly depending on whether or not you... use.. them. (that's sarcasm in case you can't tell) that is a horribly weak argument. And the only way to prevent it is to run, which you can't always do, and doesn't make for a good argument anyways... what a fair game, all you can do is run. The only ways to prevent it is to be a sky fortress or an anti-grav. period, and anti-grav sucks in comparison.
"As I see it, this skill is like the grav tank ultimate: when used in the right situation (1v1 mainly), there is very little hope for your opponent."
That is completely not true. The grav tank ability makes a tank invulnerable for the duration of the ability. The sky fortress completely stuns them AND lets them get hit by everything for the entire duration. In fact, I've had my noob teammates on numerous occasions use the anti-grav's ultimate to prevent me from finishing a kill. In most games I play in, I usually have more weapons, HP, and better abilities than the grav tank. So when I wake up, I usually kill them, teleport if I'm low on HP, or continue about my business b/c a lot of gravs use it to get away.
"But it can be utterly wasted, as for example the victim receive assistance from a [A.] team mate, or you are forced to use it to counter a [B.]channeling spell (like rain of chaos of infernal)."
(A.) What kind of argument is that?? "no xenocide, the sky fortress's ability isn't over powered b/c you can be double or even multi-teamed..." wtf man... ok let me digress what if you had TWO sky fortresses vs. any two other tanks... point and case thank you.
(B.) That's actually a huge asset. Whenever you want, you can cancel their best AoE damage ability. In fact, it's fucking amazing because when youre fighting, as soon as they pop infernal rain you stun them and poof it's gone and they are dead (b/c they can't do anything for 5.4 seconds and you hit them for the entire duration).
"I'd choose this tank in a 1v1 context anytime myself."
me too...
"It's not overpowered generally. It's just strong in 1v1 or 2v2 fights (like antigrav), but in 3v3+ Infernal is way stronger, so it's quite well balanced for 5v5."
That's just not true though. First of all, you almost never have a game where all 10 players are skilled, decent, competent or even not afk. BUT, if you want to make the assumption you are playing against highly skilled players that work well in a team, the sky fortress is still far better. Not only do they just have to coordinate their stuns (lets assume they are lanning, on ventrillo, or just perceptive) so that any time one of them casts an AoE they interrupt it but they are also already better 1v1. So to recap, they can cancel all mass aoe (minus orbital command) and they can selective stun team members x5 for 5.4 sec, disabling their weapons. They can pick off anyone, at any time, and beat them 5v5.
At any rate, a very large part of this game is played on the 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 and in my experience, 1v2 and 1v3 level. That's where you get most of your kills, that's how you get ahead, and that's how you maintain your momentum. I don't think it's well balanced for 5v5. Additionally, if you're playing in a game where there are only one or two strong players on team A, all the crappiest person on your team has to do is buy a sky fortress, put 5 points into the broken ability, and snare him whenever your team draws near him. GG. It is completely broken.