2008-08-11, 16:46:37
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Why should anything that costs more be necesserily stronger, regardless of tactical questions? Bt isn't and shouldn't be that easy.
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You got me Inter, I am quite polemical lol..(I looked the word up.) Yes I love a good debate, but generally only persist when I realize I am correct. First of, Exodus already addressed this issue in another post and admits that some balancing needs to be done, so I am satisfied. The medic analogy was a nice try, but doesn't apply. These arent random people. These are btank players and people who have encountered this issue, so were all medics, though some slightly better. Also, how does "I suppose everyone here is lying and the SF is actually a balanced tank" have nothing to do with the topic? lol.. It is called "SF overpowered" and the original poster gives a detailed discription of a game showing the imbalance. Sadly, however, he has no replay so we can't believe him? For your second response, it is simple math. How can 20k+ extra gold not equal an advantage... Where else in the game to you find such a huge discrepency? It has nothing to do with skill/tactics, just one overpowered ability. Again, use common sense. A basic magic doesnt beat a laser no matter how you play it. etc. Thirdly, that is hardly an effective counter/easy kill. If you do that the SF(assuming it is alone, if not 2 SFs could easily beat you) could simply tp away and/or use speed boost and only one could follow. It would also take time to launch stun. Also saying that 1v1 a SF cant beat an infernal at a CP is flat out incorrect. 1:30 MAX it is USUALLY easily possible. With stun, bombs and short range weapons np...Also, I am requesting replays of any claims that you have made as I must review each of them to make a sound decision. You don't look like a medic to me, inter...
Quote: I suppose everyone here is lying and the SF is actually a balanced tank...come on...Nice polemic start, doesn't have anything to do with the actual topic (actually there are not that many people claiming that the sf is overpowered, but the ones who are "make quite some noise"). Other players said to me I shouldn't argue with(even reply to) you - as you're getting to a quite polemic level they might be right - oh, do I become polemic too? Refering to a group of people is quite dangerous generally: If there are 100 random people which you don't know and 1 medic, whom will you believe in a question about your health? The 100 random guys as you can't suppose everyone of them is false?
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Why should anything that costs more be necesserily stronger, regardless of tactical questions? Bt isn't and shouldn't be that easy.
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Quote:As far as the rest of what you wrote, it often happens that people get split up in the endgame. If you have SFs and take the sides then unless youre right on the base that's way out of tp range, and someone has to stop you. Then it's 1v1/2v2 whatever and youre screwed, always...unless of course you have a SF.Well, basically you're wrong. Until the very late game (~2 hours+) one inf can handle a sf at the cp alone. Afterwards 2 infs can use some sort of easy strat: one uses cp-porter, the other one waits ~3 sec and cp ports then, when the sky fortress will allready be using his ultimate. Then it's quite easy to stun (/kill) him. And if you're in offense right now, then the sf can take the cp but you'll jump with (for example) 5 infs into their main base, killing everything. (In such a long game it's anyway just about the main-base kick at the end)[/quote]
You got me Inter, I am quite polemical lol..(I looked the word up.) Yes I love a good debate, but generally only persist when I realize I am correct. First of, Exodus already addressed this issue in another post and admits that some balancing needs to be done, so I am satisfied. The medic analogy was a nice try, but doesn't apply. These arent random people. These are btank players and people who have encountered this issue, so were all medics, though some slightly better. Also, how does "I suppose everyone here is lying and the SF is actually a balanced tank" have nothing to do with the topic? lol.. It is called "SF overpowered" and the original poster gives a detailed discription of a game showing the imbalance. Sadly, however, he has no replay so we can't believe him? For your second response, it is simple math. How can 20k+ extra gold not equal an advantage... Where else in the game to you find such a huge discrepency? It has nothing to do with skill/tactics, just one overpowered ability. Again, use common sense. A basic magic doesnt beat a laser no matter how you play it. etc. Thirdly, that is hardly an effective counter/easy kill. If you do that the SF(assuming it is alone, if not 2 SFs could easily beat you) could simply tp away and/or use speed boost and only one could follow. It would also take time to launch stun. Also saying that 1v1 a SF cant beat an infernal at a CP is flat out incorrect. 1:30 MAX it is USUALLY easily possible. With stun, bombs and short range weapons np...Also, I am requesting replays of any claims that you have made as I must review each of them to make a sound decision. You don't look like a medic to me, inter...
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