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I read this in another part of the forum:
"RE: Should the -giveup command be removed entirely?
I actually lost a game, because it said the opponent team gave up so I spent my money very stupidly on weaponupgrades and bombs and they took the giveup back. WHY CAN YOU TAKE BACK A GIVEUP???? THIS WILL ALWAYS CHANGE THE GAMEPLAY IF IT SAYS THE OPPONENT GAVE UP!!!!Sad((( I think its a good thing that a team can giveup, but you should't be able to take it back cause its unfair.. "
-giveup revoke should be disabled after ALL typed -giveup and the global giveup message appears. I guess its ok to post it here in the bug reports section becouse its really anoying if that happens and also people may start to abuse this.
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I disagree. The -giveup revoke command is needed, because sometimes you want to giveup (thus typing -giveup) but your teammates don't. I've had this situation a number of times in the early- to midgame. Perhaps after another hour of gameplay your team is performing well but some jerk types the last -giveup and your game would instantly end. This is why there is a 10sec delay, so you are then remembered that you might overthink your decision from the past, where the situation may have been different.
Deciding to waste your money in the last 10secs is a very stupid desicion and should not be considered at all. The only change I propose is the wording of the giveup message. It might be better to hint on the possibility that they can change their minds, i.e. by telling "x Force has decided to giveup, but they might change their mind within the next 10secs"
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(2013-08-05, 15:59:56)gozo1985 Wrote: -giveup revoke should be disabled after ALL typed -giveup and the global giveup message appears. I guess its ok to post it here in the bug reports section becouse its really anoying if that happens and also people may start to abuse this.
i like this idea & can't see any downside atm 
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(2013-08-06, 10:05:57)stibi- Wrote: (2013-08-05, 15:59:56)gozo1985 Wrote: -giveup revoke should be disabled after ALL typed -giveup and the global giveup message appears. I guess its ok to post it here in the bug reports section becouse its really anoying if that happens and also people may start to abuse this.
i like this idea & can't see any downside atm
Perhaps you didn't read my post 
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(2013-08-06, 11:08:21)ssl Wrote: (2013-08-06, 10:05:57)stibi- Wrote: (2013-08-05, 15:59:56)gozo1985 Wrote: -giveup revoke should be disabled after ALL typed -giveup and the global giveup message appears. I guess its ok to post it here in the bug reports section becouse its really anoying if that happens and also people may start to abuse this.
i like this idea & can't see any downside atm
Perhaps you didn't read my post
according to your post there's ~ 1 hour between your -giveup command and the last jerk who voted to giveup - isn't this plenty of time to use -giveup revoke?
on the other and it's kinda stupid to waste the gold in the last 10 sec to get better stats & deserves some kind of punishment ^^
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(2013-08-06, 11:13:14)stibi- Wrote: according to your post there's ~ 1 hour between your -giveup command and the last jerk who voted to giveup - isn't this plenty of time to use -giveup revoke? Yes, but I bet you didn't think of revoking it in the meantime! That's where you get your chance to do so in these important 10 seconds!
(2013-08-06, 11:13:14)stibi- Wrote: on the other and it's kinda stupid to waste the gold in the last 10 sec to get better stats & deserves some kind of punishment ^^ I fully agree!
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To this topic I can only say this: the 10s delay in ending the game with a giveup vote exists precisely for that reason: so that people can take back their vote. Otherwise there would be no point in actually waiting that 10 seconds.
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ah ok... a wording update would be nice then
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Well, lets see, that's what it currently says:
Quote:xxx voted to give up. If no vote changes, the game will be over in 10 seconds.
So, how about that:
Quote:xxx voted to give up. They now have 10s to change their votes, otherwise the game will end.
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(This post was last modified: 2013-08-08, 17:25:09 by griffin1987.)
(2013-08-07, 13:31:42)Exodus Wrote: Well, lets see, that's what it currently says:
Quote:xxx voted to give up. If no vote changes, the game will be over in 10 seconds.
So, how about that:
Quote:xxx voted to give up. They now have 10s to change their votes, otherwise the game will end.
xxx voted to give up. They can still use "-giveup revoke" for 10s to change their votes, otherwise the game will end.
I like your wording better, but I think it's good to tell people how the commands work, because not everyone knows (and I'm not even sure if you can read up on it anywhere other than old btanks changelogs)
P.S.: Afaik at the moment you can just use -giveup whatever to revoke the giveup, I think that should also be changed, as some people like to do things like "-giveup now please" and then suddenly revoke instead of giving up 
Anyway, +1 for changing the wording from me.
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Alright, I also put the command into the message. I also fixed the fact, that it accepted other commands for revoking, thanks for mentioning that. I even found another, more serious bug, which I won't mention here.
So all in all I'd say this was quite successfull ;)
Oh, and I'd like to mention another thing, because somebody mentioned abuse of this 10s countdown: there is a "cooldown" for the giveup command, you can change your vote only once every minute, so if you just initiated the 10 second countdown, you can't just abort it again.
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Problem would be solved, if the message that the other team givesup after ten seconds would be completely removed.
Only your team should get the message: You agreed to giveup. You can revoke this giveup within the next ten seconds.
Then, if no one revokes, it should end the game with the usual they gave up and cinematic...
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(2013-08-09, 17:44:37)RikonVan Wrote: Problem would be solved, if the message that the other team givesup after ten seconds would be completely removed.
Only your team should get the message: You agreed to giveup. You can revoke this giveup within the next ten seconds.
Then, if no one revokes, it should end the game with the usual they gave up and cinematic...
Very good proposal! I think this is the most "clean" solution.
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(2013-08-10, 19:42:47)ssl Wrote: (2013-08-09, 17:44:37)RikonVan Wrote: Problem would be solved, if the message that the other team givesup after ten seconds would be completely removed.
Only your team should get the message: You agreed to giveup. You can revoke this giveup within the next ten seconds.
Then, if no one revokes, it should end the game with the usual they gave up and cinematic...
Very good proposal! I think this is the most "clean" solution.
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