[New Tank] The Scout

[Vomitus]

... and a special ultima: invisibility or "marker" (same as the ghost in starcraft, the ability to "mark" a place, after a amount of sec, making a huge explosion. (and explosion that also can kill allied players.)

I highly appreciate this idea. Such kind of behavior can add some new special spice in game.
However, this ability is not fitting well with 'racing car'...

Though I have to admit, that I like the scout model less than the demon space ship model.

+1

i think the poll is not effective, cause too less ppl take part in it.

Maybe make this topic pinned so more people would be attracted to visit it, read and vote?

[Schnurri111]

It sounds like as a "Pro"Tank.

I mean some good players take this time the Demolisher with a Bow on the start from the game.
In this way with a good support the can make a lot of money and lvl on the start.
So they will be better as the others.

This sounds now as a Tank special for this "taktikel" way.

I am not happy about this solution.
New players dont know how to work with this tank.
Pros have now a good solution to be again a little bit faster better then the others.

Please dont forget to think about what is with new players.
Is a change or a new tank good for all or only for some pros to be again better.....

[Tribulation]

There's a number of tanks and strategies not suited for beginners, so one more would not be that bad, and if it's balanced right away or becomes balanced in future versions, it can be countered.

[MontyCoco]

to make it less effective against tanks, you could only let creep-weapons be buyable for scout-tank-players. keyword: creeping only!

[DerSatan]

ehm, no, im against that. he should just have just one (or maybe two) skills against tanks, which should be defensive/supporting only, not damage-dealing.

[MontyCoco]

ehm, no, im against that. he should just have just one (or maybe two) skills against tanks, which should be defensive/supporting only, not damage-dealing.

can you give examples?

[DerSatan]

i did. for you, here once again.

-an ability against other tanks could be: (active)
a short stun, combined with disabling all enemy's active spells for X.X seconds. this is a rather defensive/supporting ability, but its the way i imagine a scout. also: the scout could be a valuable trader hunter this way, as the trader often uses abilities to flee and cant take advantage of the low hp of the scout earlygame.

example: 1 second stun, disabling enemy ablilities for 0.8 seconds per level after the stun. (no damage)

[Tank-]

i think it should look like the normal tank that sells for 800g but remove the wheels and make it look like its hovering somehow mabie a small aura under it and the big main gun replaced with smaller guns in all directions instead of forward. or another idea is make it look like the goblin boat that has the black ring arround it "from battle ships" because it looks like a hover craft but make it smaller and remove the sails and add the small guns in all directions. also you guys are trying to make it immune to death and in reality it should be weak vs other tanks and i dont belive in invisibilaty at all. here are the skills i think it should have

skills

evasion

make the built in basic gun shoot AOE/muti-targets "the reason i said make it have smaller guns all the way arround the top of it

extra bounty or a chance to get a % of the creeps value per hit " like the skill form the TERMINUS ARENA map"

terminus give it a chance to instant kill/one shot creeps "also in teminus arena"

emolation or a DOT aura

make it hover "passive" so it isnt blocked by creeps but it cant go over trees or cliffs/mountains "dont forget being ontop of their creeps will make their guns hit you while yours are hitting creeps

a skill that donates $ to your team but you choose the amount or a set %

also the names boring it needs a better name mabie "The Plow or creep-o-nator 2000

cost 3000 "with AOE basic gun bult in" or 1900 without so you can afford creep gun
speed 320
armor 1
hp 2000

those are a few ideas but like i said it should be weak vs other tanks so mabie make it so you can only buy creeps guns or make the tank able to buy any guns but they will only attack creeps for this tank.

[TKF]

:mrgreen:

i think it should look like the normal tank that sells for 800g but remove the wheels and make it look like its hovering somehow mabie a small aura under it and the big main gun replaced with smaller guns in all directions instead of forward. or another idea is make it look like the goblin boat that has the black ring arround it "from battle ships" because it looks like a hover craft but make it smaller and remove the sails and add the small guns in all directions. also you guys are trying to make it immune to death and in reality it should be weak vs other tanks and i dont belive in invisibilaty at all. here are the skills i think it should have........

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First, no one here is professional model makers afaik. Modifying a model isn't that easy for someone who's unfamiliar with model editing.

Second, weird abilities suggestions. However even that bounty skill sounds interesting, that might cause the tank to be too good creeper. Weapons are based on phönix fire ability, which can only hit 1 target at the time. It is possible however to make more projectiles.

Third, that name; The Plow / creep-o-nator 2000 sounds more lol than scout, really!

Fourth, your idea doesn't sound scoutish anymore. Sounds more like a different tank idea.

[Tank-]

the "lol" was the point in the name..... but you dont need a "scout" they said scout but all the tallents where for creeping...or mabie i didnt see what they where getting at... but still this would be a good tank if you wanted to make 2 new tanks...

you said the basic cannon cant be set to attack multi targets? well how about giving it the 800g tanks lvl 10 ability to shoot aoe rockets but make them weaker and have it auto cast every few sec and only target creeps.

[MontyCoco]

did you test the tank for Battle Tanks, Exodus/Bob?

[MontyCoco]

push

[kittyonmyfoot]

Not to poo-poo on the parade but I think the concept itself is too close to the anti-grav tank which has a jump for mobility, an aoe stun, a banish that allows it to creep swamp an enemy, and an aoe ranged attack (which I don't find very useful). I even find the suggested model to be very similar as far as the style goes.

So... if you really want the scout I'd suggest altering the Anti-grav rather than starting from scratch. I find the ranged plasma shot very limited in uses... the range and the amount of damage quickly becomes obsolete. Sentry wards would be a good replacement or a trader hunter pack burst speed would be useful and differentiate it from the air models. (Although the Jump and burst speed could easily be abused if the CDs aren't long enough).

I find that negating mines or even making them hostile to both would be imbalanced since you can negate a 7500 weapon with a low level tank ability. I believe there are plenty of ways to neutralized mines of which is go the road less traveled, don't be a hero, and upgrade your tank quickly. Generally speaking the only tanks that could be 1 shotted by the demolisher's tank are the light tank and helli ... considering that they have lots of time to upgrade before they're 1 shotted and the fact that the demolisher almost costs double... I just don't see a problem.

[DerSatan]

ehm just a question:

what happens when you take a healrune which has been manipulated by both a scout of your and the other force? will it give the positive or the negative effect?

[Exodus]

The one will receive the positive effect, who manipulated the rune the last time. But to make it less obvious that your already manipulated rune, has been manipulated again by the enemy, both will see the special effect added to the rune. Everything thats happens after that might be kinda confusing ^^