Imba Heavy Tank?

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because it's nearly without risk - and that might be perceived as imba if it's played in perfection.

You can play some other tank at perfection, they have weakness. I just mean that heavy tank doesn't have weakness.
I mean imba because in any game, you are always sure that the heavy tank is effective.

Stop goblin tank by stunning? How can you stop a goblin tank by stunning when he and 2 other tanks use teleporter to get close to you? (And _every_ good goblin got teleporter)

How do you do if you don't have teleport? Without allied players?
It is always possible to add external factors... This argument is uneffective.

rofl... :mrgreen: ..see my Sig.. read all of my post ? i am heavyT player..if you play against me..believe me..you get in big trouble if your team doesnt act good ^^

And did you play against me?
You are the first to say:

i think you never played a 5on5 or 4on4 with really good gamers...

And your main argument was:

you can counter it with Gobo/Shredder/HeavyAir/ in mid game.. demon Tank too if someone choose it early

Or we don't get the heavy tank at middle game but at 13-14 min... gobo and heavy air are bad argument because getting 7000-8000 gold with start tank is much more longer. Must all player take a shredder to fight against heavy tank? shredder has weakness (300 gold tank with nice ultima but weak skill against middle tank and obligation to play low range to be really effective), heavy doesn't have real one. ( speed of 280 isn't a real weakness...)

i said that too... so it cant be imba

I used the word "imba" but i just want to mean that heavy tank is unbalanced comparing to the other.

thats right..you can... again "can"... but then this one has no real good weapon...for later game ^^

A 2200 gold weapon at 14 min with heavy tank isn't real good weapon?
For later game, i didn't say players should keep the heavy. It is just that heavy is too powerfull for 14-30 min of the game.
If you play it nicely, you can be sure to rox...

thats the game

That's an argument in order to increase the balance...

if you know that...act so.. that it is no disadvantage :roll:

That isn't a valable argument... We know heavy tank doesn't have real weakness then it is not a disadvantage?

you forgott its a Team game.. and it makes sence to combinat..and work as one...if you would have really played good arranged games with guys you know.. and maybe TS.. you should know setting prices in compare to this or that.. you could get..is not hte way to win the game xD

With team game, we are always able to counter unbalanced things. That's not a reason to leave the appear...

Btw: Getting quite early Sky Tank or Demontank isn't that hard with Demolisher and Mulit bow in the middle. Demontank is not weaker than Heavy with 4,5k weapons; His abilitys are really good when correctly used (for example +25% damage from 3+ spells can make a huge difference)

When you get heavy tank with 2200 gold weapon at 14th min, you won't let 1000-3000hp tanks creep easily at middle...
I am not talking about noob players who play heavy tank but experimented one. With your demolisher and multibow at middle, you will have to kill creep during near 25-30 min in order to get enough money (and at the condition that noone harrass you with middle tanks...)
Getting money with low tank during the 15 first minute are easy but after, it is much more hard when enemies have middle tanks...

You also can't refer to "pro games" all the time to justify your claims of the imbaness of certain tanks, weapons, and items - the vast majority of all players and games cannot be considered anywhere near "pro", and eliminating all alleged imbaness because a small minority feels it's necessary seems a little over the top, no offense. Heavy Tank can be countered, and it's slow, so yes you can counter a long range approach with a faster, better armed vehicle - but not if you've got a heli with 3 weapons or maybe a little hull, than something went wrong in the course of your creeping, but that's another point which has nothing to do with the imbaness of Heavy Tank - if it costs more than 5 times as much as a smaller vehicle, then hell yeah it needs a skill strong enough to kill at once and provide a stun against a mobile enemy. You'll get where I'm going

I am not comparing heavy tank with start tanks. 280 speed is not really slow...
I am comparing heavy with other "middle" tanks, they all have real weakness but heavy doesn't.
(and don't talk about teleport etc... The heavy can also buy telep...)

In response to the post made in between: good point, would be as easy to claim Goblin is imba, since it's hard to switch to air if the Goblin was the last one to get a bigger tank, but that's just tough luck than, his advantage in having a strong tank with speed an a stun is the reward for having waited that long with buying, assuming a normal course of events in a game.

Goblin isn't imba because he has natural weakness, as low range skills, ground skill, higher cost (7000 is much more hard to fastely have than 5500)


Conclusion:
Ok, if you don't see any unbalance between 4000-10000 gold tanks and heavy tank. I have explained what i mean. I don't see why all tank have weakness and heavy doesn't real one. (280 speed isn' a huge weakness (and difference of 20 on speed isn't big), low hp for mortar isn't a real one (they end tower fastly and have high range, the delay of the skill isn't long)
There is many way to counter the heavy, but not after 14min... They need a lot of gold most of the time.
Teamplay can counter that but we can't count all the time on teamplay in order to counter unbalanced things...

And if you see real weakness concerning the heavy, tell me then. ^^