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It's way too easy to kick people, and i've seen groups of people abuse the kicking system for money before, and kicking someone for being 3 and 5 and for other unwarrented reasons.
One of the major problems is that you don't even need anyone else to vote yes in order to kick someone, so long as nobody realizes that the person is being kicked.
A very good solution to this would be to allow the person being kicked to vote, or better yet, default his vote to no like the kickers vote is defaulted to yes.
The ease and frequency in which people get kicked is one of the biggest problems with Btanks, CERTAINLY orders of magnitude worse than HB ever could be
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karate_kid_x Wrote:It's way too easy to kick people, and i've seen groups of people abuse the kicking system for money before, and kicking someone for being 3 and 5 and for other unwarrented reasons.
One of the major problems is that you don't even need anyone else to vote yes in order to kick someone, so long as nobody realizes that the person is being kicked.
A very good solution to this would be to allow the person being kicked to vote, or better yet, default his vote to no like the kickers vote is defaulted to yes.
The ease and frequency in which people get kicked is one of the biggest problems with Btanks, CERTAINLY orders of magnitude worse than HB ever could be
100% agree.
it has become commen pattern that players with a relatively low score just get kicked. BT is about killing tanks, but if you get killed, you get kicked. kewl.
new players WILL NOT have a good score, they need to learn the game. but they cant really, and after getting kicked from 2-3 games they probably dont want to try furthermore. its not a good feeling youre left with after getting kicked.
of course, they shouldnt join the league games, but its not a problem of only league games.
beeing afk and teamkilling should be the ONLY reasons to kick someone. both should be detectable in the map.
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i would suggest a quorum for a kick vote to be valid, i dont like the idea of being kicked cause of a single "yes" vote without any "no" vote.
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khEg Wrote:Have a look
this thread is in-fact, the opposite of that thread
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DerSatan Wrote:karate_kid_x Wrote:It's way too easy to kick people, and i've seen groups of people abuse the kicking system for money before, and kicking someone for being 3 and 5 and for other unwarrented reasons.
One of the major problems is that you don't even need anyone else to vote yes in order to kick someone, so long as nobody realizes that the person is being kicked.
A very good solution to this would be to allow the person being kicked to vote, or better yet, default his vote to no like the kickers vote is defaulted to yes.
The ease and frequency in which people get kicked is one of the biggest problems with Btanks, CERTAINLY orders of magnitude worse than HB ever could be
100% agree.
it has become commen pattern that players with a relatively low score just get kicked. BT is about killing tanks, but if you get killed, you get kicked. kewl.
new players WILL NOT have a good score, they need to learn the game. but they cant really, and after getting kicked from 2-3 games they probably dont want to try furthermore. its not a good feeling youre left with after getting kicked.
of course, they shouldnt join the league games, but its not a problem of only league games.
beeing afk and teamkilling should be the ONLY reasons to kick someone. both should be detectable in the map.
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Quote:beeing afk and teamkilling should be the ONLY reasons to kick someone. both should be detectable in the map.
you say teamkill, I call it a deny.
A generic teamkill = kick also has issues.
With afk, they can pass control to another player - so afk = kick isn't always foolproof either.
Yes, the current system has issues, but it is flexible as well. Remember there is no vote required to kick yourself - you can always leave.
Griefing and intentional feeding are also bans/kicks for games I am present, but this is not something that can be auto detected.
Quote:The ease and frequency in which people get kicked is one of the biggest problems with Btanks, CERTAINLY orders of magnitude worse than HB ever could be
The main problem I see is that people often don't bother to vote. If every time someone created an innapropriate kick vote they voted -no, this wouldn't happen so much. But that isn't a fault of the mapmakers, and pausing the game requiring everyone to vote would break gameflow and would lead to other abuses.
Basically easy kicks are a fault of the majority, and if the majority of players in your game are being dicks, then it doesn't really matter how the kick system works.
EDITED: for clarity
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GooglyBoogly Wrote:you say teamkill, I call it a deny.
A generic teamkill = kick also has issues.
With afk, they can pass control to another player - so afk = kick isn't always foolproof either.
Yes, the current system has issues, but it is flexible as well. Remember there is no vote required to kick yourself - you can always leave.
Griefing and intentional feeding are also bans/kicks for games I am present, but this is not something that can be auto detected.
The main problem I see is that people often don't bother to vote. If every time someone created an innapropriate kick vote they voted -no, this wouldn't happen so much. But that isn't a fault of the mapmakers, and pausing the game requiring everyone to vote would break gameflow and would lead to other abuses.
Basically easy kicks are a fault of the majority, and if the majority of players in your game are being dicks, then it doesn't really matter how the kick system works.
It looks like you try to answer on my reply but this is not the same topic :lol:
Whatever basicly youre right and fyi I dont really think we need to change the kick command of the map. All I was trying to do is giving another solution so ppl who are not satisfied could say "hey ... that suggestion sounds good lets try this"
So basicly I'd accept it if it says like it is and also if it changes to what I said
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GooglyBoogly Wrote:Quote:beeing afk and teamkilling should be the ONLY reasons to kick someone. both should be detectable in the map.
you say teamkill, I call it a deny.
A generic teamkill = kick also has issues.
With afk, they can pass control to another player - so afk = kick isn't always foolproof either.
Yes, the current system has issues, but it is flexible as well. Remember there is no vote required to kick yourself - you can always leave.
Griefing and intentional feeding are also bans/kicks for games I am present, but this is not something that can be auto detected.
Quote:The ease and frequency in which people get kicked is one of the biggest problems with Btanks, CERTAINLY orders of magnitude worse than HB ever could be
The main problem I see is that people often don't bother to vote. If every time someone created an innapropriate kick vote they voted -no, this wouldn't happen so much. But that isn't a fault of the mapmakers, and pausing the game requiring everyone to vote would break gameflow and would lead to other abuses.
Basically easy kicks are a fault of the majority, and if the majority of players in your game are being dicks, then it doesn't really matter how the kick system works.
EDITED: for clarity
What i suggested was as simple as give the person getting kicked a vote, We don't really need an overhaul of the system.
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to kicking newbs: i kicked in the last time many noobs when playing on the league bot because i see no reason why to play the league with them. they are not even interested in playing the league. just playing sth but with this they can destroy a whole game
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I thought about a bot to host beginner mode only. might this be a good idea what do ya think? 
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khEg Wrote:I thought about a bot to host beginner mode only. might this be a good idea what do ya think?
There is more to the problem than just noobs getting kicked
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