2012-02-27, 00:33:05
(This post was last modified: 2012-02-27, 00:40:50 by olivercamel.)
Today we had the game B03, KCTZ vs. Heroes.
In this game, I had to pause and announce Heroes as the loser team, which is because of the flaming by thesalmon (red) of the Heroes team.
I am the referee of this game, and by BTT Rule 13.3, I am qualified to do so:
13.3. If an improper behavior happens, the referee should pause the game and warn the player. If it happens too much, the referee has the right to terminate the game and announce the team with the improper behavior player as the loser team.
To write this thread, I want to be open to all btt players/teams, because this is the first time that we have to terminate a game because of flaming.
I hope all teams who read this post give a bit more respects to the btt rule, to the work of the btt organizers/referees.
A little bit background first.
At the game time, team Heroes has only 3 players ready for the game. They asked if KCTZ allows to do the game on Monday, but KCTZ refused to change the game time.
As KCTZ wanted a game, I suggested to have a 3v3 game instead of 4v4. Both team agreed. This is why the game was in 3v3.
By following the BTT rules, team KCTZ could get a default win with 3 points easily. But they prefer a real game over a default win, even though with the risk to lose and have nothing at the end.
For this, I think team Heroes should be thankful at least.
Below I copied part of converstions in game to support my decision.
Notes: To view the full chat log, try to upload the game replay at this link, it is a good wc3 replay parser:
http://w3rep.sourceforge.net/example.php
thesalmon (red) speaks almost since the beginning of the game. FirePhoenix and me both asked him not to.
For me, speaking "SCOOOOOOOORE" in public after you kill someone is offensive.
This is the first time I made the pause and gave the 1st official warning.
This conversation more or less like a flame to the referee FirePhoenix.
Again, these public texts violate the btt rule.
And this parts with my name in it annoys me.
This is when i paused for the 2nd time.
Talking to pink "SO SNEAKY", "like a snak" are flames to me.
For me, all i want is to have a good btanks game. So I ignored the flame thesalmon said to me.
And i made my point that if KCTZ had enough with red's flame, i can terminate the game.
But if KCTZ wants to play, we will continue.
Another flame to me, where FirePhoenix also got angry.
Even though KCTZ shows the willing to stop, I still don't want to terminate the game just because of the flame.
At the end i decided to continue.
This is finally i think we have to stop.
If someone says "oli too bad u made this unenjoyable trash", we don't need to continue this "unenjoyable trash".
Sadly, according to the current BTT Rules, I cannot kick a team or a player out of the btt.
So team Heros will still have the 3rd game vs. team BTF.
In this game, I had to pause and announce Heroes as the loser team, which is because of the flaming by thesalmon (red) of the Heroes team.
I am the referee of this game, and by BTT Rule 13.3, I am qualified to do so:
13.3. If an improper behavior happens, the referee should pause the game and warn the player. If it happens too much, the referee has the right to terminate the game and announce the team with the improper behavior player as the loser team.
To write this thread, I want to be open to all btt players/teams, because this is the first time that we have to terminate a game because of flaming.
I hope all teams who read this post give a bit more respects to the btt rule, to the work of the btt organizers/referees.
A little bit background first.
At the game time, team Heroes has only 3 players ready for the game. They asked if KCTZ allows to do the game on Monday, but KCTZ refused to change the game time.
As KCTZ wanted a game, I suggested to have a 3v3 game instead of 4v4. Both team agreed. This is why the game was in 3v3.
By following the BTT rules, team KCTZ could get a default win with 3 points easily. But they prefer a real game over a default win, even though with the risk to lose and have nothing at the end.
For this, I think team Heroes should be thankful at least.
Below I copied part of converstions in game to support my decision.
Notes: To view the full chat log, try to upload the game replay at this link, it is a good wc3 replay parser:
http://w3rep.sourceforge.net/example.php
Code:
(00:10 / All) FirePhoenix: gl hf
(00:12 / All) thesalmon: FIRS
(00:14 / All) thesalmon: FIRST
(00:24 / All) thesalmon: damn
(00:26 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: y gl & hf all
(00:26 / All) thesalmon: normal 3 guys
(00:28 / All) thesalmon: nnow solo
(00:32 / All) thesalmon: smart multibotw actually
(00:33 / All) olivercamel: red plz don't talk in public thx
(00:39 / All) thesalmon: kk
(00:44 / All) thesalmon: just excited
(00:52 / All) thesalmon: im like a dog
(00:58 / All) thesalmon: i have dog on my skype
(01:03 / Observers) olivercamel: plz stop it
(01:05 / All) FirePhoenix: ok please stop it
(01:05 / All) thesalmon: right phoenix?
(01:07 / All) thesalmon: u seen it
(01:08 / All) olivercamel: plz stop it
(01:12 / All) thesalmon: kthesalmon (red) speaks almost since the beginning of the game. FirePhoenix and me both asked him not to.
Code:
(04:43 / Observers) FirePhoenix: 1st kill
(04:45 / All) thesalmon: SCOOOOOOOOOORE
(04:52 / All) olivercamel: i will pause
(04:54) The game has been paused by olivercamel.
(04:54 / All) UnifiedDoom: why?
(04:54 / All) Dirtyterror: why
(04:54 / All) thesalmon: why
(04:54 / All) olivercamel: red, u got 1st offical warning
(04:54 / All) thesalmon: how many
(04:54 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: oliver angry / :)
(04:54 / All) olivercamel: if you keep talking in public
(04:54 / All) thesalmon: to get dq`?
(04:54 / All) olivercamel: next time we will terminate the game
(04:54 / All) thesalmon: how many warnings
(04:54 / All) thesalmon: kk
(04:54 / All) olivercamel: yes, i am mad already
(04:54 / All) olivercamel: not more
(04:54 / All) thesalmon: im so sorry
(04:54 / All) thesalmon: yes
(04:54 / All) thesalmon: i care very much
(04:54 / All) thesalmon: thank u
(04:54 / All) thesalmon: for this
(04:54 / All) thesalmon: unpause now
(04:54 / All) olivercamel: ok, we will resume nowFor me, speaking "SCOOOOOOOORE" in public after you kill someone is offensive.
This is the first time I made the pause and gave the 1st official warning.
Code:
(11:04 / All) thesalmon: is phoenix referee?
(11:09 / All) FirePhoenix: -.-
(11:15 / All) thesalmon: i mean obviously but is he
(11:17 / All) thesalmon: like
(11:20 / All) thesalmon: deciding something
(11:27 / All) thesalmon: or just observing
(11:32 / All) thesalmon: xd
(11:33 / All) Dirtyterror: y if to loose game for you or not
(11:34 / Observers) FirePhoenix: slowly i will be angry because of red
(11:44 / All) thesalmon: oneshot ulti time 4 tank.
(11:46 / Observers) olivercamel: i already am
(11:51 / Observers) olivercamel: i just don't want to ruin the gameThis conversation more or less like a flame to the referee FirePhoenix.
Code:
(38:48 / All) thesalmon: OMG
(38:50 / All) thesalmon: OUR SKYPE
(38:52 / All) thesalmon: :DDD
(39:01 / All) UnifiedDoom: i hear nothing buy flaming and yellow here
(39:08 / All) UnifiedDoom: yelling
(39:15 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: ?
(39:19 / All) thesalmon: SO SORRY
(39:21 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: red speak as his mind ..
(39:24 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: man
(39:35 / Observers) FirePhoenix: 1st game when the public chat is spammed...
(39:48 / All) thesalmon: very nice teleport, sir
(39:51 / All) thesalmon: no raging hereAgain, these public texts violate the btt rule.
Code:
(41:16 / All) thesalmon: they have a cp next to ours isn't that hax?
(41:23 / All) tained: lol
(41:24 / All) Dirtyterror: lol
(41:32 / All) thesalmon: dq oli dq!!!
(41:52 / Observers) olivercamel: i am almost 100% mad ^^
(42:07 / Observers) FirePhoenix: do u think i am 100% happy?-.-
(42:23 / Observers) FirePhoenix: we rly should make a default win
(42:43 / Observers) olivercamel: y, i will do this next time for team herosAnd this parts with my name in it annoys me.
Code:
(66:28 / All) thesalmon: PINK
(66:29 / All) thesalmon: SO SNEAKY
(66:35 / All) thesalmon: like a snak
(66:37 / All) thesalmon: snake
(66:38 / All) thesalmon: sry
(66:56 / All) olivercamel: ok, i will pause again
(67:01) The game has been paused by olivercamel.
(67:01 / All) olivercamel: first of all, i am already 100% mad at red
(67:01 / All) olivercamel: i don't want to even speak to him
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: fyi
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: i said sorry
(67:01 / All) olivercamel: i wanted to run this game only for team kctz
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: on whisper
(67:01 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: man ..
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: grow the fuckup
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: chinaman
(67:01 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: so ?
(67:01 / All) olivercamel: so when unifieddoom says you have enough
(67:01 / All) olivercamel: we will give kctz the winThis is when i paused for the 2nd time.
Talking to pink "SO SNEAKY", "like a snak" are flames to me.
For me, all i want is to have a good btanks game. So I ignored the flame thesalmon said to me.
And i made my point that if KCTZ had enough with red's flame, i can terminate the game.
But if KCTZ wants to play, we will continue.
Code:
(67:01 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: we playing?
(67:01 / All) FirePhoenix: w8 a second
(67:01 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: okay
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: thefuck
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: oliver is 12?
(67:01 / Observers) UnifiedDoom: we can declare it over now i wouldn't mind
(67:01 / All) BatiGol9: anybody hear ?
(67:01 / All) FirePhoenix: can u pls shut ur fucking mouth red? im actually mad like oliver now
(67:01 / All) olivercamel: y, i hear
(67:01 / All) olivercamel: i am discussing with unifieddoomAnother flame to me, where FirePhoenix also got angry.
Code:
(67:01 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: what happen oliver ?
(67:01 / All) BatiGol9: ??????????????
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: ur referee
(67:01 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: so
(67:01 / All) UnifiedDoom: kctz will take the win if you let us
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: act a bit professional u shit
(67:01 / All) olivercamel: ok, let's do it in a professional way
(67:01 / All) olivercamel: just go to the end
(67:01 / All) olivercamel: and i will put it in the forum
(67:01 / All) UnifiedDoom: alright
(67:01 / All) UnifiedDoom: we'll play
(67:01 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: oliver?
(67:01 / All) UnifiedDoom: i want to forfiet my next game
(67:01 / All) UnifiedDoom: automatically though
(67:01 / All) tained: lol
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: thefuck
(67:01 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: lol
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: so if we win
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: what happens
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: if we tie
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: what happens
(67:01 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: i dont know ..
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: if we lose
(67:01 / All) olivercamel: ok we resume
(67:01 / All) thesalmon: what happens
(67:01 / All) olivercamel: 3
(67:01 / All) olivercamel: 2
(67:01 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: why?
(67:01 / All) olivercamel: 1
(67:01) The game has been resumed by FirePhoenix.
(67:01) The game has been paused by thesalmon.
(67:01 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: we won?
(67:01) The game has been resumed by UnifiedDoom.
(67:02 / All) thesalmon: the fuck is ur problem
(67:03 / All) thesalmon: answer
(67:05 / All) olivercamel: no we continue
(67:18 / Observers) FirePhoenix: i would
(67:33 / Observers) FirePhoenix: i wouldnt continue this game
(67:35 / Observers) FirePhoenix: if i would be u...
(67:36 / Observers) FirePhoenix: honestly
(67:44 / Observers) olivercamel: i know
(67:52 / Observers) olivercamel: then they would say i abuse the power
(68:00 / Observers) olivercamel: i will just let this game go to the end
(68:10 / Observers) olivercamel: and i will start a discussion thread in the forum
(68:22 / Observers) olivercamel: let people say if it is fair to give kctz 3 pointsEven though KCTZ shows the willing to stop, I still don't want to terminate the game just because of the flame.
At the end i decided to continue.
Code:
(75:59 / All) thesalmon: Gg
(76:04 / Observers) FirePhoenix: 1h 30min wasting time for me :-/
(76:09 / All) thesalmon: oli too bad u made this unenjoyable trash
(76:22 / All) UnifiedDoom: eh it doesn't really matter you're just gonna lose to BTF next game lol
(76:23 / All) tained: lol
(76:24) The game has been paused by olivercamel.
(76:24 / All) olivercamel: ok
(76:24 / All) thesalmon: what u want
(76:24 / All) UnifiedDoom: and we're all gonna get eliminated
(76:24 / All) thesalmon: ok
(76:24 / All) FirePhoenix: yeah party...
(76:24 / All) thesalmon: now im rly mad
(76:24 / All) olivercamel: enough is enough
(76:24 / All) thesalmon: i have no dick
(76:24 / All) thesalmon: fuck myself in the face
(76:24 / All) UnifiedDoom: i forfiet
(76:24 / All) thesalmon: piece of shit
(76:24 / All) tained: lol
(76:24 / All) olivercamel: if you say this is unenjoyable
(76:24 / All) Dirtyterror: why you bitch them ?
(76:24 / All) olivercamel: there is no need to continue
(76:24 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: red speak .. alone
(76:24 / All) thesalmon: didnt say unplayable
(76:24 / All) thesalmon: now resume
(76:24 / All) Dirtyterror: so lets do nt
(76:24 / All) thesalmon: and stfu
(76:24 / All) thesalmon: piece of shit
(76:24 / All) thesalmon: im professional dota player
(76:24 / All) RAF_Today_Hero: i cant?
(76:24 / All) thesalmon: if u know
(76:24 / All) Dirtyterror: hes kinda stupid lol ...
(76:24 / All) olivercamel: here by I announce team KCTZ winsThis is finally i think we have to stop.
If someone says "oli too bad u made this unenjoyable trash", we don't need to continue this "unenjoyable trash".
Sadly, according to the current BTT Rules, I cannot kick a team or a player out of the btt.
So team Heros will still have the 3rd game vs. team BTF.
